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Occupying the government buildings is essentially the standard brazilian protest. It's happened many times before and will happen again. This "storming" amounte

Occupying the government buildings is essentially the standard brazilian protest. It's happened many times before and will happen again. This "storming" amounted to little more than a protest. If only that had been enough to fix things. I watched those judges censor political speech as "fake news" throughout the entire 2022 election. Then they showboated in public about how they had been personally responsible for the former president's defeat.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> Occupying the government buildings is essentially the standard brazilian protest. It's happened many times before and will happen again Brazil also has a history of military coups, something that mob explicitly sought to provoke [1]. It makes sense for the system to learn from past failings. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attack...
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  Not a problem. They wanted to be ruled by the military. That's a valid political stance which should not be censored. A military coup is attempted when armed forces actually show up to overthrow you. When the heroic brazilian military showed up, it was to arrest the protesters.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Not a problem. They wanted to be ruled by the military. That's a valid political stance which should not be censored. Wat. (EDIT: Sure? In a country with a history of not managing this well, however, it’s also dangerous. When manifested as a riot, that danger becomes clear and present.) > it was to arrest the protesters who were begging the military on their knees to save them Rioters who broke into the federal buildings housing each branch of the Brazilian state… I appreciate your directness. But respectfully, I don’t think there is anything this Supreme Court could do that would meet your approval, or vice versa, those “protesters” which would find your judgement.
    - matheusmoreira 1y ago
      > Wat. Plenty of people out there who enjoyed the military dictatorship. Did you know the Lua programming language was born in it? The military wanted to replace technology imports with native products. That gave rise to industry and technology. We even tried making our own computers once. That bit of history has been posted to HN at least once. I can totally see why they'd prefer that to the current Brazil which is essentially the world's soy farm, to say nothing of the endless corruption scandals and crushing taxation. > Rioters who broke into the federal buildings housing each branch of the Brazilian state Protesters from the current ruling party have set fire to those buildings before. It's nothing new. > I don’t think there is anything this Supreme Court could do that would meet your approval I would approve of their resignation.
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Plenty of people out there who enjoyed the military dictatorship Fair enough. I imagine the military dictatorship wouldn’t be too happy with folks trying to overthrow it. Part of designing a stable state is maneouvering against such volatility.
        matheusmoreira 1y ago
        This state is anything but stable. The supreme court has become the de facto rulers of this country. For some reason they didn't maneuver against that.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > supreme court has become the de facto rulers of this country Let’s say that’s true. How is this structurally dissimilar from the military being in charge?
        matheusmoreira 1y ago
        It's not. They are both unelected authoritarian dictatorships. If I must live under a dictatorship, I want it to be a regime that somewhat aligns with my values and interests at the very least. The people in power right now are communists and socialists. It's not even an understatement. Nazis go straight to jail but these socialists walk our soil completely unpunished even though they are far more damaging.
- larrled 1y ago
  I feel like coups are more likely in developing or socialist countries. An American coup at this point seems very unlikely to work thanks to “learning from past failings” and stuff like advanced weapons systems. I mean heck, we can’t even escape the two party system, imagine overthrowing them and the federal government in one swoop, and doing that by means of citizen protestors occupying a building. Seems crazy to worry about that so much for years and years.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > coups are more likely in developing or socialist countries Developing, yes. (Socialist, I don’t know.) > we can’t even escape the two party system, imagine overthrowing them and the federal government in one swoop, and doing that by means of citizen protestors occupying a building Protests are pretext. The Brazilian protests didn’t anticipate overthrowing the government themselves. They wanted the military to depose the elected government. In America, a protest would be used either as an excuse to impose ersatz martial law or a sign that the people don’t agree with the election (or whatever). The actual killing moves are rendered by those who can command guns.
  - cassianoleal 1y ago
    A straight-up military coup is unlikely but not by much. In fact, former President Bolsonaro and most of his closest allies in government are on trial for planning exactly that. In any case, other, "softer", coups have been happening with alarming frequency in South America, Brazil included.
owebmaster 1y ago
> only that had been enough to fix things. Exactly! You, just like the people that was there and now are in jail, wanted that to "fix things", or calling it for the right name, a coup. It didn't work well.
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  I don't blame them at all. Who are you supposed to turn to when the supreme court starts censoring you? There's no one else above them.
  - owebmaster 1y ago
    They even literally asked for Extra-Terrestrial help. Funny times. Awaiting 4 years for the next election is not that painful.
    - matheusmoreira 1y ago
      I think it's sad, not funny. Supreme court judges are not elected. They don't even have to pass tests.
      - owebmaster 1y ago
        They gotta follow the constitution. And judge criminals. Exactly that is what they are doing. For that to be happening at the same time as the US devolve into a dictatorship is quite didactic
        matheusmoreira 1y ago
        > They gotta follow the constitution. No, they don't. They can do whatever they want and nobody can do a thing about it. Whatever they write on a paper becomes law, simply because police enforces it. The fact they weren't and aren't following the constitution was a major cause of January 8th. Censorship is unconstitutional in Brazil, especially that of a political nature. And political censorship is exactly what they engaged in. They just happened to use euphemisms like "fake news". I remember one case where they censordd a documentary before it was even published. A priori censorship, something not seen in these lands since the military dictatorship. > And judge criminals. Supreme court's purpose is to judge politicians with immunity and assorted privilges. Not common citizens.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> Occupying the government buildings is essentially the standard brazilian protest. It's happened many times before and will happen again Brazil also has a history of military coups, something that mob explicitly sought to provoke [1]. It makes sense for the system to learn from past failings. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attacks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_January_Bras%C3%ADlia_attack...

matheusmoreira 1y ago
Not a problem. They wanted to be ruled by the military. That's a valid political stance which should not be censored. A military coup is attempted when armed forces actually show up to overthrow you. When the heroic brazilian military showed up, it was to arrest the protesters.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Not a problem. They wanted to be ruled by the military. That's a valid political stance which should not be censored. Wat. (EDIT: Sure? In a country with a history of not managing this well, however, it’s also dangerous. When manifested as a riot, that danger becomes clear and present.) > it was to arrest the protesters who were begging the military on their knees to save them Rioters who broke into the federal buildings housing each branch of the Brazilian state… I appreciate your directness. But respectfully, I don’t think there is anything this Supreme Court could do that would meet your approval, or vice versa, those “protesters” which would find your judgement.
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    > Wat. Plenty of people out there who enjoyed the military dictatorship. Did you know the Lua programming language was born in it? The military wanted to replace technology imports with native products. That gave rise to industry and technology. We even tried making our own computers once. That bit of history has been posted to HN at least once. I can totally see why they'd prefer that to the current Brazil which is essentially the world's soy farm, to say nothing of the endless corruption scandals and crushing taxation. > Rioters who broke into the federal buildings housing each branch of the Brazilian state Protesters from the current ruling party have set fire to those buildings before. It's nothing new. > I don’t think there is anything this Supreme Court could do that would meet your approval I would approve of their resignation.
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Plenty of people out there who enjoyed the military dictatorship Fair enough. I imagine the military dictatorship wouldn’t be too happy with folks trying to overthrow it. Part of designing a stable state is maneouvering against such volatility.
      - matheusmoreira 1y ago
        This state is anything but stable. The supreme court has become the de facto rulers of this country. For some reason they didn't maneuver against that.
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > supreme court has become the de facto rulers of this country Let’s say that’s true. How is this structurally dissimilar from the military being in charge?
        matheusmoreira 1y ago
        It's not. They are both unelected authoritarian dictatorships. If I must live under a dictatorship, I want it to be a regime that somewhat aligns with my values and interests at the very least. The people in power right now are communists and socialists. It's not even an understatement. Nazis go straight to jail but these socialists walk our soil completely unpunished even though they are far more damaging.
larrled 1y ago
I feel like coups are more likely in developing or socialist countries. An American coup at this point seems very unlikely to work thanks to “learning from past failings” and stuff like advanced weapons systems. I mean heck, we can’t even escape the two party system, imagine overthrowing them and the federal government in one swoop, and doing that by means of citizen protestors occupying a building. Seems crazy to worry about that so much for years and years.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > coups are more likely in developing or socialist countries Developing, yes. (Socialist, I don’t know.) > we can’t even escape the two party system, imagine overthrowing them and the federal government in one swoop, and doing that by means of citizen protestors occupying a building Protests are pretext. The Brazilian protests didn’t anticipate overthrowing the government themselves. They wanted the military to depose the elected government. In America, a protest would be used either as an excuse to impose ersatz martial law or a sign that the people don’t agree with the election (or whatever). The actual killing moves are rendered by those who can command guns.
- cassianoleal 1y ago
  A straight-up military coup is unlikely but not by much. In fact, former President Bolsonaro and most of his closest allies in government are on trial for planning exactly that. In any case, other, "softer", coups have been happening with alarming frequency in South America, Brazil included.

owebmaster 1y ago

> only that had been enough to fix things. Exactly! You, just like the people that was there and now are in jail, wanted that to "fix things", or calling it for the right name, a coup. It didn't work well.

matheusmoreira 1y ago
I don't blame them at all. Who are you supposed to turn to when the supreme court starts censoring you? There's no one else above them.
- owebmaster 1y ago
  They even literally asked for Extra-Terrestrial help. Funny times. Awaiting 4 years for the next election is not that painful.
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    I think it's sad, not funny. Supreme court judges are not elected. They don't even have to pass tests.
    - owebmaster 1y ago
      They gotta follow the constitution. And judge criminals. Exactly that is what they are doing. For that to be happening at the same time as the US devolve into a dictatorship is quite didactic
      - matheusmoreira 1y ago
        > They gotta follow the constitution. No, they don't. They can do whatever they want and nobody can do a thing about it. Whatever they write on a paper becomes law, simply because police enforces it. The fact they weren't and aren't following the constitution was a major cause of January 8th. Censorship is unconstitutional in Brazil, especially that of a political nature. And political censorship is exactly what they engaged in. They just happened to use euphemisms like "fake news". I remember one case where they censordd a documentary before it was even published. A priori censorship, something not seen in these lands since the military dictatorship. > And judge criminals. Supreme court's purpose is to judge politicians with immunity and assorted privilges. Not common citizens.