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are you and GP are saying that all social media platform should perform policing to the point that everything outlaw in every countries should be banned?

mlinhares 1y ago
yes, that's how the law works, social media platforms can't show nazi content in germany cos that's the law there. they're perfectly fine doing it.
- logicchains 1y ago
  Germany is a country without freedom of speech, where people can be fined for criticising politicians online. It's not something anyone should be aiming to emulate.
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    > where people can be fined for criticising politicians online Brazil has flirted with that sort of tyranny as well. This is what this is all about. Censorship of political "fake news" that harms the ruling party. They decide what's fake, of course.
  - mlinhares 1y ago
    That is up for Germans to decide, not foreign social media platforms.
    - ty6853 1y ago
      Disagree, freedom of speech is a natural right.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Here's the thing, Germans don't get to make that choice, their politicians do it for them. Sure, you can vote on some politicians, but what do you do when freedom of speech is not on anyone's menu as they all share different views than you on what freedom of speech is? Having something like the First Amendment in the constitution means no politician can fuck with your freedom of speech too much. It's one of the things that makes the US the longest running democracy to date.
      - mlinhares 1y ago
        oh damn, that has worked so well for the people being placed in prison due to their speech, the students having their visas revoked and all activists that have been killed by the government. americans really live in a different planet. you only have freedom of speech when your speech is irrelevant or when it doesn't conflict with the views of the elites.
        FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >people being placed in prison due to their speech, the students having their visas revoked and all activists that have been killed by the government Let's address your points: 2) There's nothing illegal or wrong with student visas being revoked with reason. You break the law, your visa gets revoked, it's that simple. It's part of the terms and conditions of immigrating on a visa in any civilized country with a rule of law (barring Germany maybe). Have the students on a visa tried, you know, studying, instead of breaking laws? I myself never struggled to not break the laws where I travel to foreign countries. I don't see where the issues lie. 1) Who is being put in prison just for speech? Is that speech consisting of throwing rocks at police by any chance? 3) Which activists did the government kill? Those are all some wild accusations that require citations form some reliable sources in order to be taken seriously. >americans really live in a different planet. you only have freedom of speech when your speech is irrelevant or when it doesn't conflict with the views of the elites. Let's put freedom of speech to a test. If you're in Germany, go on X, go to the profile of chancellor Friedrich Merz and call him a "corrupt politician and traitor of the people" and also say how a certain group of illegal immigrants responsible for majority of terror attacks doesn't belong in Germany. Then let's see how far your freedom of speech goes in Germany. Post a link here with the comment as proof when you're done. Otherwise, please refrain from criticizing other nations speech laws since you're throwing rocks at a stone castle from a glass house. My point with this is there's no perfect freedom of speech, but myself I'd much rather the unrestricted freedom of speech of the world's oldest democracy, rather than the government controlled speech of Germany or the UK.
        mlinhares 1y ago
BugheadTorpeda6 1y ago
Yes, I am saying that platforms should be policed to such an extent that they remove and ban all illegal content within a reasonable timeframe. And in the case of something like child porn, knowingly failing to do so quickly should lead to a lot of people going to jail (I think a lot of tech executives and employees belong in jail). I don't find this to be too much to ask. Every other platform has to do this. The only reason you have a bunch of ridiculously wealthy anti-social people rampaging across the world "disrupting" whatever they see fit is because we decided the rules arbitrarily should't apply to them because of some wide eyed and ridiculous utopian bullshit how "the internet is for free love and knowledge mannnn, and it should be like, freeee brooo". I'm not even slightly sympathetic to that argument and I don't think the Internet has proven to be valuable enough either culturally or productivity wise to justify even the slightest loosening of the rules that apply elsewhere. The whole thing starts to look like a rent seeking scam that was used to destroy a lot of higher quality information resources and businesses if you squint at it for even a second.

mlinhares 1y ago

yes, that's how the law works, social media platforms can't show nazi content in germany cos that's the law there. they're perfectly fine doing it.

logicchains 1y ago
Germany is a country without freedom of speech, where people can be fined for criticising politicians online. It's not something anyone should be aiming to emulate.
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  > where people can be fined for criticising politicians online Brazil has flirted with that sort of tyranny as well. This is what this is all about. Censorship of political "fake news" that harms the ruling party. They decide what's fake, of course.
- mlinhares 1y ago
  That is up for Germans to decide, not foreign social media platforms.
  - ty6853 1y ago
    Disagree, freedom of speech is a natural right.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Here's the thing, Germans don't get to make that choice, their politicians do it for them. Sure, you can vote on some politicians, but what do you do when freedom of speech is not on anyone's menu as they all share different views than you on what freedom of speech is? Having something like the First Amendment in the constitution means no politician can fuck with your freedom of speech too much. It's one of the things that makes the US the longest running democracy to date.
    - mlinhares 1y ago
      oh damn, that has worked so well for the people being placed in prison due to their speech, the students having their visas revoked and all activists that have been killed by the government. americans really live in a different planet. you only have freedom of speech when your speech is irrelevant or when it doesn't conflict with the views of the elites.
      - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
        >people being placed in prison due to their speech, the students having their visas revoked and all activists that have been killed by the government Let's address your points: 2) There's nothing illegal or wrong with student visas being revoked with reason. You break the law, your visa gets revoked, it's that simple. It's part of the terms and conditions of immigrating on a visa in any civilized country with a rule of law (barring Germany maybe). Have the students on a visa tried, you know, studying, instead of breaking laws? I myself never struggled to not break the laws where I travel to foreign countries. I don't see where the issues lie. 1) Who is being put in prison just for speech? Is that speech consisting of throwing rocks at police by any chance? 3) Which activists did the government kill? Those are all some wild accusations that require citations form some reliable sources in order to be taken seriously. >americans really live in a different planet. you only have freedom of speech when your speech is irrelevant or when it doesn't conflict with the views of the elites. Let's put freedom of speech to a test. If you're in Germany, go on X, go to the profile of chancellor Friedrich Merz and call him a "corrupt politician and traitor of the people" and also say how a certain group of illegal immigrants responsible for majority of terror attacks doesn't belong in Germany. Then let's see how far your freedom of speech goes in Germany. Post a link here with the comment as proof when you're done. Otherwise, please refrain from criticizing other nations speech laws since you're throwing rocks at a stone castle from a glass house. My point with this is there's no perfect freedom of speech, but myself I'd much rather the unrestricted freedom of speech of the world's oldest democracy, rather than the government controlled speech of Germany or the UK.
        mlinhares 1y ago

BugheadTorpeda6 1y ago

Yes, I am saying that platforms should be policed to such an extent that they remove and ban all illegal content within a reasonable timeframe. And in the case of something like child porn, knowingly failing to do so quickly should lead to a lot of people going to jail (I think a lot of tech executives and employees belong in jail). I don't find this to be too much to ask. Every other platform has to do this. The only reason you have a bunch of ridiculously wealthy anti-social people rampaging across the world "disrupting" whatever they see fit is because we decided the rules arbitrarily should't apply to them because of some wide eyed and ridiculous utopian bullshit how "the internet is for free love and knowledge mannnn, and it should be like, freeee brooo". I'm not even slightly sympathetic to that argument and I don't think the Internet has proven to be valuable enough either culturally or productivity wise to justify even the slightest loosening of the rules that apply elsewhere. The whole thing starts to look like a rent seeking scam that was used to destroy a lot of higher quality information resources and businesses if you squint at it for even a second.