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It will be really interesting to watch how this unfolds. My hypothesis: Meta, X et al. will threaten to just wholesale IP-block the country (not worth the risk)

It will be really interesting to watch how this unfolds. My hypothesis: Meta, X et al. will threaten to just wholesale IP-block the country (not worth the risk), and it will become a game of Chicken. Side note: The density of ads on that page is almost impressive.

matheusmoreira 1y ago
That reaction would be glorious but I doubt it's going to happen. Too much money at stake. They're likely to just accept it, just like they accept chinese control. Brazil wants to become like China. One of the judge-kings even declared his admiration for the chinese and their control of communications. It's quite terrifying. Donald Trump has been threatening sanctions against these people for a while now. What's he waiting for?
- defrost 1y ago
  By that logic, the USA also wants to become like China. The current POTUS, Donald J. Trump declared his admiration for the strong chinese response to the Tiananmen Square protests. * https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-praised-china-tiananme... * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/donald-trump-tiananmen-square-china-playboy-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/donald-trump... ( and numerous other reports since his 1990 comments )
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    He's a bit of a tyrant himself, isn't he? It's alarming but I suppose it's not surprising. Haven't seen him defend censorship yet though.
    - defrost 1y ago
      Watch what people do rather than judge only on what they say. Trump’s aggressive actions against free speech speak a lot louder than his words defending it https://theconversation.com/trumps-aggressive-actions-against-free-speech-speak-a-lot-louder-than-his-words-defending-it-252706 https://theconversation.com/trumps-aggressive-actions-agains...
    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Haven't seen him defend censorship yet though Literally kicked the Associated Press out of the White House because they wouldn't toe the line on calling the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America [1]. [1] https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2025/white-house-bars-ap-reporter-from-oval-office-because-of-ap-style-policy-on-gulf-of-america/ https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2025/white-ho...
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > By that logic, the USA also wants to become like China. Yes it (or at least the presently ruling faction) absolutely wants that substantively, but with a White Christian nationalist rather than Communist rhetorical focus. Not really the kind of “by that logic...” that is useful for rebutting the argument it targets.
    - defrost 1y ago
      > that is useful for discretion the argument it targets. dissecting? discussing? It serves to make a reader ponder whether an individual (judge or POTUS) sets the mood of an entire country (does Brazil or the US 'want' what a judge or POTUS wants?) and reminds us that the current US administration admires strongarm tactics.
      - matheusmoreira 1y ago
        Your comments are appreciated. I wasn't aware of the information you posted.
- diego_moita 1y ago
  > Brazil wants to become like China. Here's a clear sign of a typical "Bozotário" paranoia: reduce every sensible discussion to a leftist conspiracy. > One of the judge-kings even declared his admiration for the chinese and their control of communications. Sure. And since you found that in your WhatsApp group then it has to be true. Because no one lies in WhatsApp, right?
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    > Here's a clear sign of a typical "Bozotário" paranoia Nobody mentioned Bolsonaro. He's history. > And since you found that in your WhatsApp group then it has to be true. You don't have to take it from me. Here's a top Google search result: https://www.terra.com.br/noticias/brasil/politica/somos-admiradores-do-regime-chines-diz-gilmar-em-julgamento-do-stf-sobre-big-techs,2221045a1908379118035e9bbb981c35i273352b.html https://www.terra.com.br/noticias/brasil/politica/somos-admi... "We are admirers of the chinese regime." Take it up with whoever wrote that article if you disagree. Either way, refrain from replying to my comments in the future. I really have no inclination to engage with sarcastic "WhatsApp uncle" arguments.
cvjcvjcvj 1y ago
Here’s an analogy: If a radio station or TV channel taught a child to cut themselves, self-harm, or drink toilet water, that broadcaster would be held accountable. So how can we allow social media platforms to escape responsibility? Children are dying.
- ty6853 1y ago
  The problem isn't that a child knows how to cut themselves, it's that they lack guidance in life teaching them why that is a dumb idea, or if too young to learn that, supervising them so that they don't.
- akoboldfrying 1y ago
  I think this viewpoint is not to be dismissed, but I think a way to improve the analogy would be: What if the programs that that TV channel showed were not custom-built by the channel itself, but rather created on-the-fly by millions of anonymous people?
EasyMark 1y ago
I always use an adblocker and that page is a stubborn one, it just keeps blocking after a couple of minutes as the count rises to 100+

matheusmoreira 1y ago

That reaction would be glorious but I doubt it's going to happen. Too much money at stake. They're likely to just accept it, just like they accept chinese control. Brazil wants to become like China. One of the judge-kings even declared his admiration for the chinese and their control of communications. It's quite terrifying. Donald Trump has been threatening sanctions against these people for a while now. What's he waiting for?

defrost 1y ago
By that logic, the USA also wants to become like China. The current POTUS, Donald J. Trump declared his admiration for the strong chinese response to the Tiananmen Square protests. * https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-praised-china-tiananmen-foreshadowing-response-to-george-floyd-protests-2020-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-praised-china-tiananme... * https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/donald-trump-tiananmen-square-china-playboy-interview https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/donald-trump... ( and numerous other reports since his 1990 comments )
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  He's a bit of a tyrant himself, isn't he? It's alarming but I suppose it's not surprising. Haven't seen him defend censorship yet though.
  - defrost 1y ago
    Watch what people do rather than judge only on what they say. Trump’s aggressive actions against free speech speak a lot louder than his words defending it https://theconversation.com/trumps-aggressive-actions-against-free-speech-speak-a-lot-louder-than-his-words-defending-it-252706 https://theconversation.com/trumps-aggressive-actions-agains...
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Haven't seen him defend censorship yet though Literally kicked the Associated Press out of the White House because they wouldn't toe the line on calling the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America [1]. [1] https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2025/white-house-bars-ap-reporter-from-oval-office-because-of-ap-style-policy-on-gulf-of-america/ https://www.ap.org/media-center/ap-in-the-news/2025/white-ho...
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > By that logic, the USA also wants to become like China. Yes it (or at least the presently ruling faction) absolutely wants that substantively, but with a White Christian nationalist rather than Communist rhetorical focus. Not really the kind of “by that logic...” that is useful for rebutting the argument it targets.
  - defrost 1y ago
    > that is useful for discretion the argument it targets. dissecting? discussing? It serves to make a reader ponder whether an individual (judge or POTUS) sets the mood of an entire country (does Brazil or the US 'want' what a judge or POTUS wants?) and reminds us that the current US administration admires strongarm tactics.
    - matheusmoreira 1y ago
      Your comments are appreciated. I wasn't aware of the information you posted.
diego_moita 1y ago
> Brazil wants to become like China. Here's a clear sign of a typical "Bozotário" paranoia: reduce every sensible discussion to a leftist conspiracy. > One of the judge-kings even declared his admiration for the chinese and their control of communications. Sure. And since you found that in your WhatsApp group then it has to be true. Because no one lies in WhatsApp, right?
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  > Here's a clear sign of a typical "Bozotário" paranoia Nobody mentioned Bolsonaro. He's history. > And since you found that in your WhatsApp group then it has to be true. You don't have to take it from me. Here's a top Google search result: https://www.terra.com.br/noticias/brasil/politica/somos-admiradores-do-regime-chines-diz-gilmar-em-julgamento-do-stf-sobre-big-techs,2221045a1908379118035e9bbb981c35i273352b.html https://www.terra.com.br/noticias/brasil/politica/somos-admi... "We are admirers of the chinese regime." Take it up with whoever wrote that article if you disagree. Either way, refrain from replying to my comments in the future. I really have no inclination to engage with sarcastic "WhatsApp uncle" arguments.

cvjcvjcvj 1y ago

Here’s an analogy: If a radio station or TV channel taught a child to cut themselves, self-harm, or drink toilet water, that broadcaster would be held accountable. So how can we allow social media platforms to escape responsibility? Children are dying.

ty6853 1y ago
The problem isn't that a child knows how to cut themselves, it's that they lack guidance in life teaching them why that is a dumb idea, or if too young to learn that, supervising them so that they don't.
akoboldfrying 1y ago
I think this viewpoint is not to be dismissed, but I think a way to improve the analogy would be: What if the programs that that TV channel showed were not custom-built by the channel itself, but rather created on-the-fly by millions of anonymous people?

EasyMark 1y ago

I always use an adblocker and that page is a stubborn one, it just keeps blocking after a couple of minutes as the count rises to 100+