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I'm sure if they did that someone here would complain about which routers they're using, or where where did the processors for those routers get manufactured, o

I'm sure if they did that someone here would complain about which routers they're using, or where where did the processors for those routers get manufactured, or where did the rare earth metals for those processors come from, or which company owns the mine extracting machines, or... Nothing gets done without some pragmatism.

graemep 1y ago
Choices of things like routers are limited, and even more so further up the chain which is also less visible. On the other hand there are lots of good options for hosting a website or email in the EU (and even more if you are also happy to host elsewhere in Europe). Pragmatism is one thing, zero effort is another.
- input_sh 1y ago
  I don't disagree that there are valid EU alternatives for hosting, I'm saying it's irrelevant to their goal. Allow me to make an analogy: imagine someone switching to Linux desktop and then installing Slack or Discord because they can't be bothered to convince other people to use Matrix. Is that completely unacceptable or is it a healthy compromise and still a win overall? It's also highly unlikely that the group of people working on that DNS resolver is the same group of people that made a website for it, as these sorts of sites tend to be outsourced to some tiny web design companies. One of my previous jobs was in one of those tiny companies and a part of my responsiblity was to maintain some of Eurotunnel's servers, so would you blame me for their decision to rebrand themselves to far less descriptive Getlink which happened around the same time?
  - graemep 1y ago
    > I don't disagree that there are valid EU alternatives for hosting, I'm saying it's irrelevant to their goal. It is irrelevant to their narrow goal, but it is very much relevant to their broader goal. > Allow me to make an analogy: imagine someone switching to Linux desktop and then installing Slack or Discord because they can't be bothered to convince other people to use Matrix. That is a very different situation. There are no real barriers to an organisation choosing to host its websites where ever they choose. > It's also highly unlikely that the group of people working on that DNS resolver is the same group of people that made a website for it, That is often true, but in this case it implies management do not understand, or are not committed to the underlying goals. It would be very easy to have insisted that all hosting is in Europe. > One of my previous jobs was in one of those tiny companies and a part of my responsiblity was to maintain some of Eurotunnel's servers, so would you blame me for their decision to rebrand themselves to far less descriptive Getlink Not you, but I would blame their management.

graemep 1y ago

Choices of things like routers are limited, and even more so further up the chain which is also less visible. On the other hand there are lots of good options for hosting a website or email in the EU (and even more if you are also happy to host elsewhere in Europe). Pragmatism is one thing, zero effort is another.

input_sh 1y ago
I don't disagree that there are valid EU alternatives for hosting, I'm saying it's irrelevant to their goal. Allow me to make an analogy: imagine someone switching to Linux desktop and then installing Slack or Discord because they can't be bothered to convince other people to use Matrix. Is that completely unacceptable or is it a healthy compromise and still a win overall? It's also highly unlikely that the group of people working on that DNS resolver is the same group of people that made a website for it, as these sorts of sites tend to be outsourced to some tiny web design companies. One of my previous jobs was in one of those tiny companies and a part of my responsiblity was to maintain some of Eurotunnel's servers, so would you blame me for their decision to rebrand themselves to far less descriptive Getlink which happened around the same time?
- graemep 1y ago
  > I don't disagree that there are valid EU alternatives for hosting, I'm saying it's irrelevant to their goal. It is irrelevant to their narrow goal, but it is very much relevant to their broader goal. > Allow me to make an analogy: imagine someone switching to Linux desktop and then installing Slack or Discord because they can't be bothered to convince other people to use Matrix. That is a very different situation. There are no real barriers to an organisation choosing to host its websites where ever they choose. > It's also highly unlikely that the group of people working on that DNS resolver is the same group of people that made a website for it, That is often true, but in this case it implies management do not understand, or are not committed to the underlying goals. It would be very easy to have insisted that all hosting is in Europe. > One of my previous jobs was in one of those tiny companies and a part of my responsiblity was to maintain some of Eurotunnel's servers, so would you blame me for their decision to rebrand themselves to far less descriptive Getlink Not you, but I would blame their management.