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i'm sure many eu citizens will be happy to have a dns option not reliant on american companies

by nektro 1y ago

cyberpunk 1y ago
Why don't more people run their own DNS servers? I rigged up a little unbound instance with a cronjob that pumps oisd.nl lists into the config each night and it works perfectly...
- DyslexicAtheist 1y ago
  how would you protect that server? I'm flippantly assuming you're hosting it on some VPS for which you use a credit card to pay with? depending on the threat-model, that may or may not be a solution.
  - cyberpunk 1y ago
    it runs inside my home network and isn’t exposed to the internet, also on my tailnet. as for securing an externally available resolver, standard rules apply (disable zone transfers etc)
- immibis 1y ago
  More to the point, why don't operating systems run one by default?
MildlySerious 1y ago
Quad9 and dns0 are the current "go to" EU options I believe. I would wager that most users of those services would be more wary of an option directly provided by the EU instead of a third party, not less.
wsc981 1y ago
I am not a European citizen anymore, but I was born and raised in The Netherlands, lived there until about 30 years old. But if I still lived there, I would have more trust in US companies to be honest. I actually use US-based DNS to this day, Cloudflare is my number one choice. By the way, this is from a comment in a Reddit thread linked in this HN thread: > they want to sanction unlicensed messaging apps, hosting services and websites that don’t spy on users (and impose criminal penalties) > mandatory data retention, all your online activity must be tied to your identity > end of privacy friendly VPN’s and other services > cooperate with hardware manufacturers to ensure lawful access by design (backdoors for phones and computers) > And much, much more. And this law isn’t aimed towards big companies, all communication service providers are explicitly in scope no matter how small or open source. > A mass surveillance law being written by unknown lobbyists behind closed doors, demanding that the EU should monitor the internet more than Russia, being pushed by the EU commission. Should be the biggest news of the decade, but isn’t. > Also, EU commission (Ursula, Virkkunen, Brunner as the key players) are using the same high level group as a key source in their ProtectEU plan, which is their strategy for 2029 and includes restricting encryption. Seriously, EU is slowly turning into some communist superstate. And with the technology that exists now, it'll be way easier to control people compared than -say- back in Soviet Russia. EU also don't want people to have much cash at home, will not allow people to get a lot of money from ATM, etc...
- immibis 1y ago
  agency in charge of spying on people sends out a proposal "hey we think we should be able to spy on everyone", news at 11. Seriously, this happens several times a year and always gets rejected by the actual lawmakers.
  - wsc981 1y ago
    A quote from Jean-Claude Juncker who headed the EU Commission in the past: > We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.
    - immibis 1y ago
      Good thing they can't make laws, only make proposals to the lawmakers asking them to make laws. And the fact they're scared to let anyone know who wrote the proposal says a lot.
      - BSDobelix 1y ago
        >Good thing they can't make laws Bad thing that mechanism even exist. >And the fact they're scared to let anyone know who wrote the proposal says a lot. True, that's absolutely against an "open society" Pun intended. ;)
        immibis 1y ago
        Bad thing the surveillance authority is allowed to suggest laws? Everyone should be able to suggest laws, even bad people, even bad laws. That's called a republic. Suggested laws that are unpopular should not be implemented. That's called a democracy.
        BSDobelix 1y ago
        >Everyone should be able to suggest laws >>In practice the Council would frequently ignore whatever Parliament might suggest and even sometimes reach an agreement before receiving Parliament's opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_procedure#Consultation_procedure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_pro...
perching_aix 1y ago
Not exactly a hot topic so I'm not sure why you'd think that. Reminds me to that joke about whether people prefer Windows or something else, and the kick is that "normal people don't talk about operating systems".

i'm sure many eu citizens will be happy to have a dns option not reliant on american companies

by nektro 1y ago

i'm sure many eu citizens will be happy to have a dns option not reliant on american companies

Why don't more people run their own DNS servers? I rigged up a little unbound instance with a cronjob that pumps oisd.nl lists into the config each night and it works perfectly...

DyslexicAtheist 1y ago
how would you protect that server? I'm flippantly assuming you're hosting it on some VPS for which you use a credit card to pay with? depending on the threat-model, that may or may not be a solution.
- cyberpunk 1y ago
  it runs inside my home network and isn’t exposed to the internet, also on my tailnet. as for securing an externally available resolver, standard rules apply (disable zone transfers etc)
immibis 1y ago
More to the point, why don't operating systems run one by default?

MildlySerious 1y ago

Quad9 and dns0 are the current "go to" EU options I believe. I would wager that most users of those services would be more wary of an option directly provided by the EU instead of a third party, not less.

wsc981 1y ago

I am not a European citizen anymore, but I was born and raised in The Netherlands, lived there until about 30 years old. But if I still lived there, I would have more trust in US companies to be honest. I actually use US-based DNS to this day, Cloudflare is my number one choice. By the way, this is from a comment in a Reddit thread linked in this HN thread: > they want to sanction unlicensed messaging apps, hosting services and websites that don’t spy on users (and impose criminal penalties) > mandatory data retention, all your online activity must be tied to your identity > end of privacy friendly VPN’s and other services > cooperate with hardware manufacturers to ensure lawful access by design (backdoors for phones and computers) > And much, much more. And this law isn’t aimed towards big companies, all communication service providers are explicitly in scope no matter how small or open source. > A mass surveillance law being written by unknown lobbyists behind closed doors, demanding that the EU should monitor the internet more than Russia, being pushed by the EU commission. Should be the biggest news of the decade, but isn’t. > Also, EU commission (Ursula, Virkkunen, Brunner as the key players) are using the same high level group as a key source in their ProtectEU plan, which is their strategy for 2029 and includes restricting encryption. Seriously, EU is slowly turning into some communist superstate. And with the technology that exists now, it'll be way easier to control people compared than -say- back in Soviet Russia. EU also don't want people to have much cash at home, will not allow people to get a lot of money from ATM, etc...

immibis 1y ago
agency in charge of spying on people sends out a proposal "hey we think we should be able to spy on everyone", news at 11. Seriously, this happens several times a year and always gets rejected by the actual lawmakers.
- wsc981 1y ago
  A quote from Jean-Claude Juncker who headed the EU Commission in the past: > We decide on something, leave it lying around, and wait and see what happens. If no one kicks up a fuss, because most people don't understand what has been decided, we continue step by step until there is no turning back.
  - immibis 1y ago
    Good thing they can't make laws, only make proposals to the lawmakers asking them to make laws. And the fact they're scared to let anyone know who wrote the proposal says a lot.
    - BSDobelix 1y ago
      >Good thing they can't make laws Bad thing that mechanism even exist. >And the fact they're scared to let anyone know who wrote the proposal says a lot. True, that's absolutely against an "open society" Pun intended. ;)
      - immibis 1y ago
        Bad thing the surveillance authority is allowed to suggest laws? Everyone should be able to suggest laws, even bad people, even bad laws. That's called a republic. Suggested laws that are unpopular should not be implemented. That's called a democracy.
        BSDobelix 1y ago
        >Everyone should be able to suggest laws >>In practice the Council would frequently ignore whatever Parliament might suggest and even sometimes reach an agreement before receiving Parliament's opinion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_procedure#Consultation_procedure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_legislative_pro...

perching_aix 1y ago

Not exactly a hot topic so I'm not sure why you'd think that. Reminds me to that joke about whether people prefer Windows or something else, and the kick is that "normal people don't talk about operating systems".