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Depending how it's implemented it can still be privacy focused (not keeping logs, tracking usage...). No idea if that's the case, but the two are not necessari

by ewidar 1y ago

Depending how it's implemented it can still be privacy focused (not keeping logs, tracking usage...). No idea if that's the case, but the two are not necessarily incompatible.

ninjin 1y ago
Here is the policy for their public-facing DNS: https://142290803.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/142290803/DNS4EU%20Public%20DNS%20Resolver%20policy%202025.docx.pdf https://142290803.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/14229... Read it rather quickly, but looks fine at least on the surface. Sadly, there is no way I would trust anything as sensitive as DNS with the EU given their dreadful record of creeping surveillance.
- ewidar 1y ago
  I respect that, but I am curious, what DNS do you use?
  - ninjin 1y ago
    Depends a bit on which machine really. Overall, I am more confident trusting a company with a good track record or non-profit with DNS. Mullvad have great offerings with optional content blocking and DNS over both HTTPS and TLS: https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls If there are other entities (commercial or not) with similar DNS services I would be happy to hear about them. I find some reactions here to my initial comment a bit puzzling. Yes, the EU has a number of great attempts at getting privacy legislation right. Personally, I even have sympathies for the cookie banners. But it is equally true that we have seen attempts and successes to introduce surveillance measures as well. I remember the fight against the Data Retention Directive [1] and we still have "Chat Control" lurking in the shadows. Thus, I do not think I am entirely wrong in feeling less than chuffed about the prospect of handing all my DNS queries straight over to an entity working directly under the European Commission. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
    - pepa65 1y ago
      dns.mullvad.net is supposed to not filter/block, but it does, so I had to replace it.
- protocolture 1y ago
  Trusting anyone to provide DNS seems silly in this day and age. I wouldnt single out the EU at all.
- pergadad 1y ago
  There were many laws on surveillance proposed in the EU context as there are many parties that make proposals. But there's no actual such law in place. And the EU is bound by GDPR and EDPR and actually does a huge circus to respect them, so I'd trust them more than any other party, be it my provider or the mega corps collecting data for ads.
- MattPalmer1086 1y ago
  There aren't many places with stronger privacy and personal data protection legislation than the EU. Switzerland I guess is better.

by ewidar 1y ago

Depending how it's implemented it can still be privacy focused (not keeping logs, tracking usage...). No idea if that's the case, but the two are not necessarily incompatible.

ninjin 1y ago

Here is the policy for their public-facing DNS: https://142290803.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/142290803/DNS4EU%20Public%20DNS%20Resolver%20policy%202025.docx.pdf https://142290803.fs1.hubspotusercontent-eu1.net/hubfs/14229... Read it rather quickly, but looks fine at least on the surface. Sadly, there is no way I would trust anything as sensitive as DNS with the EU given their dreadful record of creeping surveillance.

ewidar 1y ago
I respect that, but I am curious, what DNS do you use?
- ninjin 1y ago
  Depends a bit on which machine really. Overall, I am more confident trusting a company with a good track record or non-profit with DNS. Mullvad have great offerings with optional content blocking and DNS over both HTTPS and TLS: https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls https://mullvad.net/en/help/dns-over-https-and-dns-over-tls If there are other entities (commercial or not) with similar DNS services I would be happy to hear about them. I find some reactions here to my initial comment a bit puzzling. Yes, the EU has a number of great attempts at getting privacy legislation right. Personally, I even have sympathies for the cookie banners. But it is equally true that we have seen attempts and successes to introduce surveillance measures as well. I remember the fight against the Data Retention Directive [1] and we still have "Chat Control" lurking in the shadows. Thus, I do not think I am entirely wrong in feeling less than chuffed about the prospect of handing all my DNS queries straight over to an entity working directly under the European Commission. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive
  - pepa65 1y ago
    dns.mullvad.net is supposed to not filter/block, but it does, so I had to replace it.
protocolture 1y ago
Trusting anyone to provide DNS seems silly in this day and age. I wouldnt single out the EU at all.
pergadad 1y ago
There were many laws on surveillance proposed in the EU context as there are many parties that make proposals. But there's no actual such law in place. And the EU is bound by GDPR and EDPR and actually does a huge circus to respect them, so I'd trust them more than any other party, be it my provider or the mega corps collecting data for ads.
MattPalmer1086 1y ago
There aren't many places with stronger privacy and personal data protection legislation than the EU. Switzerland I guess is better.