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Joran ethnically cleansed all Jews from East Jerusalem and West Bank. And then annexed it. With regards "unsegregated": " For example, in public baths in Jerus
by tguvot 1y ago
Joran ethnically cleansed all Jews from East Jerusalem and West Bank. And then annexed it.
With regards "unsegregated": " For example, in public baths in Jerusalem, where all residents are allowed to go, Jews must continue to be distinguished from Muslims. In everyday life, the Jew must wear a yellow turban. Removing it or wearing any other color is interpreted as an attempt to pass oneself off as a Muslim. Jewish women must wear a yellow garment or piece of cloth to distinguish themselves from Muslim women. The nudity of public baths meant that another distinctive sign was required: any Jew entering the baths had to carry a bell to signal his arrival." aka "the day to day live of dhimmi"
Also, you make it sound like there are no Palestinians in Jerusalem. Wikipedia helpfully states: " In 2022, Jerusalem had a population of some 971,800 residents, of which almost 60% were Jews and almost 40% Palestinians.[14][note 4] In 2020, the population was 951,100, of which Jews comprised 570,100 (59.9%), Muslims 353,800 (37.2%), Christians 16,300 (1.7%), and 10,800 unclassified (1.1%)."
- runarberg 1y agoSorry, I misspoke in my posting. I was gonna say zones which exclude Palestinians, i.e. the city is now segregated as a result of the Israeli occupation and illegal annexation of the city. The segregation of 1948 was a direct result of Israels unilateral declaration of independence. So I think we can say that the city was unsegregated from the fourth century, throughout the Arab and the Ottoman conquest, all the way up to the formation of Israel, at which point the city became segregated again for the first time since the Roman period. Just to clarify: I’m not a fan of segregation, it was not OK when Jordan did it, it was very bad that the Romans did it. And it is even worse that Israel is still doing it.
- nailer 1y agoIsraeli Arabs and Druze are allowed into Jerusalem. It’s just not people from a specific territory with the history of causing violence towards Israelis.
- runarberg 1y agoNot everywhere: Ramat Eshkol was established as a Jewish neighborhood soon after the 1967 occupation. It is one of 9 inner settlements in East Jerusalem where Palestinians are not allowed. These “just not people from a specific territory” are Palestinians who are Christian or Muslim, because of their ethnicity, regardless of criminal history. This is segregation.
- dlubarov 1y agoBy Palestinians do you mean Palestinian nationals? Palestinians who are Israeli citizens are certainly allowed Ramat Eshkol, like any other community.
- runarberg 1y agoYou know that doesn’t happen, and you know why. Israel has extreme racial discrimination, and the settlers that live in these neighborhoods are the some of the worst case of racial sectarian violence. There are around 220,000 Jewish Israeli Settlers living in East Jerusalem, how many non-jewish Israelis do you think live in these neighborhoods? I tried to search for the number but couldn’t. I would be surprised if it is more then a 1000. Whether this reality is because of policy or not is not what I am debating (although the answer seems kind of obvious; unless you dispute Israel’s apartheid policies). The reality is that Jerusalem is currently a segregated city.
- dlubarov 1y agoSo just to clarify, when you said "Palestinians are not allowed", you meant that they are allowed but might experience racism? Why not say that? > how many non-jewish Israelis do you think live in these neighborhoods Both Ramat Eshkol and East Jerusalem more broadly are majority Arab.
- runarberg 1y agoI feel like you are trying to catch me in a contradiction. You may very well success (if you haven’t already) I am not good at debating. All I am trying to say is that Jerusalem is a segregated city now, like it was during the Roman period, but unlike during the Arab or the Ottoman rule. > Both Ramat Eshkol and East Jerusalem more broadly are majority Arab. East Jerusalem is yes. But there are inner settlements which exclude a certain ethnicity, which makes the city segregated. Where did you get the information that Ramat Eshkol was majority Arab? I tried to search online and all I saw was the fact that it was a Jewish Neighborhood (a funny way to describe an illegal settlement). https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/real-estate/article-815838 https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/real-estate/ar...
- tguvot 1y agoSegregation of city in 1948 was direct result of Jordanian aggression, occupation, ethnic cleansing and annexation of east Jerusalem and west bank. But in 1967 Israel put an end to segregation of Jerusalem.
- runarberg 1y agoWhat about Ramat Eshkol or any of the 9 inner settlements in East Jerusalem? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Settlements%2C_East_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Settlements%2C_East_Jerus...
- tguvot 1y agowhat about it ? if somebody wants to rent/sell and their offer is accepted, they can move in. on the other side, in "palestinian state" for selling real estate to Israeli there is a death sentence.
- runarberg 1y agoIf you said this about black people in the USA it would correctly be marked as extremely racist. Saying this about Palestinians is also very racist, participatory since there are people on this very thread flat out denying the existence of Palestinians (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44259547 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44259547).
- tguvot 1y agoi have no idea what you are talking about here. i didn't deny anything. But if you want to talk about denial, here is prominent PLO leader denying existence of Palestinians: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen . I guess he is racist ? Also Mosab Hassan Yousef famously denies existence of Palestinians. Is he racist as well ?
- runarberg 1y ago