> It's relevant because having children irrevocably changes a woman's body for life. True, and I should have pointed that out explicitly because you're absolut

> It's relevant because having children irrevocably changes a woman's body for life. True, and I should have pointed that out explicitly because you're absolutely right. I've seen what my wife went through having two children. > To a man, it can be nothing more than ejaculation. OK? The fact that some males - I won't call them "men" - are terrible people is exactly my point. For any person, their choice of partner dictates the course of the rest of their life. That includes "no partner", FWIW. It's the difference between having a true partner in life and having one more person to support. > Also, very few men die in childbirth. ... but many more men die at jobs they work to support those children than women.