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Care to share any evidence to back up the tall claim that systemd authors forced their code on anyone?

gatlin 1y ago
The claim was "shopped around" and if you are going to change people's words do not be surprised when nobody takes your challenge. And preemptively: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
- rbanffy 1y ago
  > absence of evidence is not evidence of absence After holding up well for a long time, absence of evidence becomes a good indicator for actual evidence of absence.
  - deleted 1y ago
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- pcpuser 1y ago
  What does "shopped around" mean? That's not a common or accepted idiom for code. Or not one I've come across anyway. Also show me evidence of them "shopping around" code. I'll wait.
  - nixosbestos 1y ago
    Truly, don't bother. I've been watching this conversation play out for 10 years. I've watched it play out with systemd, udev, rust, Wayland. Just ignore them. Their validation is meaningless. Their ignorance is mostly meaningless, too, for reasons that feel mean to type out.
    - justinrubek 1y ago
      I'm getting the sense that both sets of parties here have a strong opinion and that this isn't a real discussion because of that.
      - nixosbestos 1y ago
        Yeah my strong opinion is that I have better hidpi support than any other platform, no tearing, ever, a better security model, the x devs have abandoned x11. They have accessibility (which I am completely sympathetic to, but is rarely the actual point) and a bunch of hand waving neck beard bullshit. I have worked on DEs, I have committed to compositors. I know which side has more merit.
      - gatlin 1y ago
        Strong opinions don't make something not a discussion. Announcing to the room how aloof you are though does make you not very aloof.
  - gatlin 1y ago
    My task here was to reprimand you for arguing disingenuously, not to teach you language or do homework for you. What an appallingly entitled way to carry yourself.
codeguro 1y ago
obligatory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075

The claim was "shopped around" and if you are going to change people's words do not be surprised when nobody takes your challenge. And preemptively: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

rbanffy 1y ago
> absence of evidence is not evidence of absence After holding up well for a long time, absence of evidence becomes a good indicator for actual evidence of absence.
- deleted 1y ago
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pcpuser 1y ago
What does "shopped around" mean? That's not a common or accepted idiom for code. Or not one I've come across anyway. Also show me evidence of them "shopping around" code. I'll wait.
- nixosbestos 1y ago
  Truly, don't bother. I've been watching this conversation play out for 10 years. I've watched it play out with systemd, udev, rust, Wayland. Just ignore them. Their validation is meaningless. Their ignorance is mostly meaningless, too, for reasons that feel mean to type out.
  - justinrubek 1y ago
    I'm getting the sense that both sets of parties here have a strong opinion and that this isn't a real discussion because of that.
    - nixosbestos 1y ago
      Yeah my strong opinion is that I have better hidpi support than any other platform, no tearing, ever, a better security model, the x devs have abandoned x11. They have accessibility (which I am completely sympathetic to, but is rarely the actual point) and a bunch of hand waving neck beard bullshit. I have worked on DEs, I have committed to compositors. I know which side has more merit.
    - gatlin 1y ago
      Strong opinions don't make something not a discussion. Announcing to the room how aloof you are though does make you not very aloof.
- gatlin 1y ago
  My task here was to reprimand you for arguing disingenuously, not to teach you language or do homework for you. What an appallingly entitled way to carry yourself.

codeguro 1y ago

obligatory: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11797075