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Paper is easier to destroy quickly, and to also plausibly lose or deny having. This is actually one of the biggest problems I've found with Yubikeys: they're b

by XorNot 1y ago

Paper is easier to destroy quickly, and to also plausibly lose or deny having. This is actually one of the biggest problems I've found with Yubikeys: they're both too fragile yet also hard to reliably, deliberately destroy quickly.

1970-01-01 1y ago
I really don't agree. If I take a photo on my phone, it can be deleted in less than a millisecond. Shredding a paper calendar takes at least 30 seconds. I don't see denial of ownership as a legitimate strategy to data confidentiality.
- alistairSH 1y ago
  Assuming the ToS for your photo app didn't change at some point and do something different with the data.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  It can be marked as deleted in the file table. Destroying a paper can be done on the toilet or simply eaten.
  - dijksterhuis 1y ago
    nitpick: data is at least partially recoverable for both of these examples for a period of time as well. so they are kind of soft deletes. but yeah, probably much faster to full delete than most cloudy services with backups. along with some other anti-recovery benefits (the bodily fluids kind).
    - 1970-01-01 1y ago
      iPhone and Android now use file encryption for every file. Impossible to recover a file as both file and key are deleted.
- dijksterhuis 1y ago
  if you have an iphone [0], im not exactly sure how you’re able to truly delete a photo in a millisecond as you have to go through * a pop up dialog confirming you want to delete the photo with the below message > This photo will be deleted from iCloud Photo on all your devices. it will be in Recently Deleted for 30 days. * deleting the photo a second time from recently deleted folder, with a second confirmation dialog > this will delete the selected photo from icloud and all connected devices bonus round: any device which has previously downloaded the photo, but is not connected to icloud services at the time of deletion, requires you to physically go to that device and connect it to icloud / manually delete the photo all over again. — versus, take cigarette lighter out of pocket, start burning paper, wait. [0]: statistically probably quite likely given HN demographics and iphone market share

by XorNot 1y ago

1970-01-01 1y ago

I really don't agree. If I take a photo on my phone, it can be deleted in less than a millisecond. Shredding a paper calendar takes at least 30 seconds. I don't see denial of ownership as a legitimate strategy to data confidentiality.

alistairSH 1y ago
Assuming the ToS for your photo app didn't change at some point and do something different with the data.
1718627440 1y ago
It can be marked as deleted in the file table. Destroying a paper can be done on the toilet or simply eaten.
- dijksterhuis 1y ago
  nitpick: data is at least partially recoverable for both of these examples for a period of time as well. so they are kind of soft deletes. but yeah, probably much faster to full delete than most cloudy services with backups. along with some other anti-recovery benefits (the bodily fluids kind).
  - 1970-01-01 1y ago
    iPhone and Android now use file encryption for every file. Impossible to recover a file as both file and key are deleted.
dijksterhuis 1y ago
if you have an iphone [0], im not exactly sure how you’re able to truly delete a photo in a millisecond as you have to go through * a pop up dialog confirming you want to delete the photo with the below message > This photo will be deleted from iCloud Photo on all your devices. it will be in Recently Deleted for 30 days. * deleting the photo a second time from recently deleted folder, with a second confirmation dialog > this will delete the selected photo from icloud and all connected devices bonus round: any device which has previously downloaded the photo, but is not connected to icloud services at the time of deletion, requires you to physically go to that device and connect it to icloud / manually delete the photo all over again. — versus, take cigarette lighter out of pocket, start burning paper, wait. [0]: statistically probably quite likely given HN demographics and iphone market share