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Yeah there needs to be more background blur but I think that would fix it.

wizzwizz4 1y ago
That's not enough. What if the background is solid white, or white with few details? Blurring just leads to white-on-white.
- nithssh 1y ago
  It would be more grey on white than you think. It's not just Gaussian blur, they also have noise layers in the shader.
- adwawdawd 1y ago
  The primary color turns dark when the background is too bright, see "Meet Liquid Glass" or "What's new in SwiftUI" from WWDC25.
  - wizzwizz4 1y ago
    (a) Changing the primary colour past a certain threshold is not a solution, in my experience: there are backgrounds where the contrast is too low, no matter what you do. (b) Even if it were, Apple's implementation doesn't work. https://furry.engineer/@cendyne/114660612541978921 https://furry.engineer/@cendyne/114660612541978921 I've been playing with such UIs for years, and they've never left my personal setup, because – while very pretty – they're not worth the hassle. However, Apple's implementation here is particularly bad. (I don't see why anyone takes these companies seriously any more.)
    - adwawdawd 1y ago
      (a) fair point but edge cases exist everywhere (b) this is the developer seed do you think they will ship it like this?
      - wizzwizz4 1y ago
        (a) Looking around me, I'm struggling to find a photo I could take that wouldn't trigger this "edge-case" – so it can't be that much of an edge-case. (b) I'd expect them to patch this particular issue, now it's been widely-publicised, but Apple's pushed bigger defects to prod over the last few years (e.g. https://www.applevis.com/bugs/ios/when-editing-text-using-hardware-keyboard-navigating-selecting-text-can-be-inconsistent https://www.applevis.com/bugs/ios/when-editing-text-using-ha...). I'd be extremely surprised if this feature shipped in a properly usable state, especially given that their marketing shows that several fundamental design flaws are works-as-intended.
- leloctai 1y ago
  That's not hard to solve, you just need a good blending algorithm. For example: https://leloctai.com/asset/translucentimage/image/flatten.webm https://leloctai.com/asset/translucentimage/image/flatten.we...
leloctai 1y ago
I don't like the lack of contrast either. But they have to use a small blur kernel otherwise the glass distortion would not be noticable

That's not enough. What if the background is solid white, or white with few details? Blurring just leads to white-on-white.

nithssh 1y ago
It would be more grey on white than you think. It's not just Gaussian blur, they also have noise layers in the shader.
adwawdawd 1y ago
The primary color turns dark when the background is too bright, see "Meet Liquid Glass" or "What's new in SwiftUI" from WWDC25.
- wizzwizz4 1y ago
  (a) Changing the primary colour past a certain threshold is not a solution, in my experience: there are backgrounds where the contrast is too low, no matter what you do. (b) Even if it were, Apple's implementation doesn't work. https://furry.engineer/@cendyne/114660612541978921 https://furry.engineer/@cendyne/114660612541978921 I've been playing with such UIs for years, and they've never left my personal setup, because – while very pretty – they're not worth the hassle. However, Apple's implementation here is particularly bad. (I don't see why anyone takes these companies seriously any more.)
  - adwawdawd 1y ago
    (a) fair point but edge cases exist everywhere (b) this is the developer seed do you think they will ship it like this?
    - wizzwizz4 1y ago
      (a) Looking around me, I'm struggling to find a photo I could take that wouldn't trigger this "edge-case" – so it can't be that much of an edge-case. (b) I'd expect them to patch this particular issue, now it's been widely-publicised, but Apple's pushed bigger defects to prod over the last few years (e.g. https://www.applevis.com/bugs/ios/when-editing-text-using-hardware-keyboard-navigating-selecting-text-can-be-inconsistent https://www.applevis.com/bugs/ios/when-editing-text-using-ha...). I'd be extremely surprised if this feature shipped in a properly usable state, especially given that their marketing shows that several fundamental design flaws are works-as-intended.
leloctai 1y ago
That's not hard to solve, you just need a good blending algorithm. For example: https://leloctai.com/asset/translucentimage/image/flatten.webm https://leloctai.com/asset/translucentimage/image/flatten.we...

leloctai 1y ago

I don't like the lack of contrast either. But they have to use a small blur kernel otherwise the glass distortion would not be noticable