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US ambassador to Israel:US no longer pursuing goal independent Palestinian state
- Hikikomori 1y agoNo surprises here. The settler colonialist project continues.
- nailer 1y ago[flagged]
- Hikikomori 1y agoSo everyone living there now is not from another country? Either way, what we both stated is not mutually exclusive.
- nailer 1y agoThe majority of Jewish people in Israel are Mizrahi Jews, ie they remained in the Middle East in places like Israel, Iraq, Iran, Syria. There are also Ashekanzi Jews who are also Jewish but migrated to Europe, kept in isolated communities, and returned. 20% of the population are also Arabs that arrived from the Arabian peninsula.
- myth_drannon 1y agoSmall correction but that's Mizrahi Jews you are talking about... Sephards are from Al-Andalus(what is now white colonized Spain)
- jalapeno_a 1y agoIsrael is a European colony, it has nothing to do with the Bible.
- Sabinus 1y agoColonies send resources back to their motherland. Israel has no motherland, and is majority Middle East-origin Jewish.
- tptacek 1y agoI think this is directionally and importantly true, but, for the record, the notion of a "settler colony" was invented to capture the distinction between colonies that exist to shuttle resources and colonies that exist to create new homeland. (The Mizrahim fatally complicate any effort to sum Israel up as any kind of simplistic entity, and the term "European" to describe it is practically a slur.)
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- beardyw 1y ago> Arabs invaded during Arab colonisation in 650 A.D Oh, like Europeans invaded North America a thousand years later? So who has the rights to Noth America?
- nailer 1y agoYes. That's why we don't protest native Americans that want to live in America.
- runarberg 1y agoA lot of Palestinian activists do support the Land back movement in the USA. I‘m curious if you do? Or if you support indigenous rights in general (with the exception of Palestinians)? I‘m also curious why you seem so fixated on the Arab conquest of the region in the 7th century, but not the Roman occupation 6 centuries earlier, or the Ottoman conquest 8 centuries later (or the British occupation later still)? Especially since the Roman occupation was far more brutal and left a much greater wound in Jewish history than any of the later conquests and occupations of the region. For clarification, in 136 CE Hadrian banned Jews (as well as Christians) from living in Jerusalem after having ethnically cleansed the city of Jewish presence. Neither the Arabs nor the Ottomans did that. This was reversed a couple of centuries later. Ironically, the city remained unsegregated (where Jews, Christians, and Muslims were all allowed to live in the city and practice their respective religion) all the way until Israel conquered half the city in 1948, and occupied the other half of it in 1967, where it now excludes any Palestinian presence, be they Christian or Muslim.
- tguvot 1y agoJoran ethnically cleansed all Jews from East Jerusalem and West Bank. And then annexed it. With regards "unsegregated": " For example, in public baths in Jerusalem, where all residents are allowed to go, Jews must continue to be distinguished from Muslims. In everyday life, the Jew must wear a yellow turban. Removing it or wearing any other color is interpreted as an attempt to pass oneself off as a Muslim. Jewish women must wear a yellow garment or piece of cloth to distinguish themselves from Muslim women. The nudity of public baths meant that another distinctive sign was required: any Jew entering the baths had to carry a bell to signal his arrival." aka "the day to day live of dhimmi" Also, you make it sound like there are no Palestinians in Jerusalem. Wikipedia helpfully states: " In 2022, Jerusalem had a population of some 971,800 residents, of which almost 60% were Jews and almost 40% Palestinians.[14][note 4] In 2020, the population was 951,100, of which Jews comprised 570,100 (59.9%), Muslims 353,800 (37.2%), Christians 16,300 (1.7%), and 10,800 unclassified (1.1%)."
- SirFatty 1y agoYou have it backwards..
- originalvichy 1y agoA sign of things to come for the natives of Greenland if they are invaded by Americans.
- nhdjd 1y agoTrump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture. We live in an Attention Economy that massively benefits Attention seekers. So it become easy to mistake attention capture with getting complicated things done.
- krapp 1y ago>Trump and his buffoon class havent done anything major in their lives beyond Attention Capture. Tell that to California. Trump and his ilk are buffoons but they aren't simply putting on a show for the 'gram.
- DaSHacka 1y agoIt may have been a relatively slow response, but I don't think majorly so.
- rickydroll 1y agoCalifornia and ICE actions in general are important to address, but I believe they were created as a distraction from the authoritarian provisions of the BBB tax bill.
- AnimalMuppet 1y agoSo? They're still real actions. Doesn't matter why they're being done, they're still happening. And if Trump is doing this just as a distraction (I'm not convinced), then would he be willing to invade Greenland as a distraction too?
- rickydroll 1y ago
- austin-cheney 1y agoI honestly do not think a geographically separated Palestinian state would work exactly for the same reasons it did not work out for east Pakistan, which is now Bangladesh. Clearly one of two things will ultimately occur: 1. A right wing Israeli government will eject non-citizen Arabs from the land either by settlement, starvation, or ejection. Then Israel will annex that land. This can only occur because everyone else implicitly authorizes it. This is the most likely scenario. 2. An international military coalition will invade and impose a military occupation like NATO did to the Balkans in the 1990s. This is easier than it sounds from a military perspective because Israel is small and simple to isolate. Just like Israel isolates the occupied territories they too can be isolated just the same. It’s only challenging from a political perspective.
- d3ckard 1y agoNot challenging, but undoable. All parties capable of it will never do it. My (quite pessimistic) prediction for Israel is that the moment US is busy somewhere else, neighbors will attack en masse.
- nailer 1y agoNeighbours have always attacked en masse: in 1948 they attacked en masse and lost and a Jewish state was established, in 1967 they attacked en masse and lost and Israel gained Judea and Samaria / West bank, in 1973 they attacked en masse and lost. Plus various combinations of Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah attacking since, and losing.
- d3ckard 1y agoDear, past performance does not predict the future one. Israel hasn't done anything to build good will, on the opposite, they are increasingly negatively viewed, at least in Europe. Some wars you lose.
- nailer 1y agoSure, they’ve signed peace accords with egypt, saudi arabia and jordan, the UAE, Bahrain and Morocco. Europe has always disliked Jews, they’re just more open about it now that europe is increasingly Islamified.
- chiefalchemist 1y agoDestabilization (e.g., military wars, trade wars, immigration wars, etc.) favors the strongest / wealthiest. Such chaos favors the status quo. The USA has no interest in peace in the Middle East.
- nailer 1y agoThe US just established the Abraham accords, with a large amount of majority Arab countries recognising Israel right before Hamas attacked. There’s a theory the attacks had a larger political goal which was to stop this widespread support for Jews living in their homeland.
- spwa4 1y agoNo, you don't understand. US bad. Middle eastern "natives" good (the absurdity of calling anyone natives in a region that was conquered about 6 times, half the population deported and a fresh group of "loyal" subjects shipped in from elsewhere every 300 years since Julius Caesar vacationed in Egypt is too much for me) Those natives just committed a large massacre? They're still good. Did a few massacres on their own people on the way? Still good. US actually got close to a big peace deal? Still bad. The US doing everything for oil? EVIL! (... never mind that without oil the entire region, except Israel, would be worse than Afghanistan in every way imaginable, including human rights)
- chiefalchemist 1y agoCan you rephrase to make your point(s) clearer?
- chiefalchemist 1y agoPerhaps, but the MIC is not a conspiracy theory. Its thumb never comes off the scale.
- nailer 1y ago[flagged]
- kjsingh 1y ago> rather than requiring Israel to cede territory. No stupid it requires Israel to return the invaded territory. Stop erasing Palestinian state.
- ASalazarMX 1y agoUSA and the UK were also on the wrong side of the South African apartheid struggle. It's disheartening how the most horrible people keep deciding the fates of millions throughout history.
- msgodel 1y agoDon't know why we're perusing anything over there. Do we have goals for India and Pakistan as well?
- AndrewDucker 1y agoBecause these places are only 14 hours from Washington. And its in the interests of everyone to not have war that close to their homes.