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>ID Check Just send them a random passport photo from the Internet, what's the deal? Probably they are just vibe-verifying the photo with "Is it legit passport

by gloosx 1y ago

>ID Check Just send them a random passport photo from the Internet, what's the deal? Probably they are just vibe-verifying the photo with "Is it legit passport?" prompt anyways.

sneak 1y ago
It requires video and an app. They are collecting facial biometrics.
- gloosx 1y ago
  App? So you cannot verify without a mobile phone?
  - sneak 1y ago
    You can’t sign up in the first place without a mobile phone number. They require a phone number and block VoIP services.
    - gloosx 1y ago
      Real mobile phone number to receive a code is 10¢. Maybe a bit more, but certainly not more than a dollar.
_joel 1y ago
I think modern face verification has moved on, it's been video in all my encounters.
- gloosx 1y ago
  still no real human is involved, as they mention their verification is automated and prohabilistic — which is especially funny to hear in context of verification. Im pretty sure even a kid can go around it, e.g. on the video showing a photo of a person holding his passport which you can find online.
  - tethys 1y ago
    No. You have to turn your head, and stuff. Also, even if this would work, they allow only one verification per person per 90 days.
    - gloosx 1y ago
      >one verification per person per 90 days. this is absurd, how do they define "person"? On the internet I can be another person from another country in a minute, another minute I will be a different person from a different country.
  - _joel 1y ago
    No, that's not how it works.
    - gloosx 1y ago
      So your saying it's not just feeding your video to the AI model and blindly trusting it's outcome? Any evidence how it works then?
      - _joel 1y ago
        You can't just hold up a 2d object (passport) and wave it about to try and trick it. There are heuristics at work.
        gloosx 1y ago
        For a regular camera - all objects are 2d, it is not equipped with tools to capture depth. What heuristics are you talking about? There is ML model at work which tries to tell whether the object is legit, but it cannot have any real sense of what is on the image: it just relies on a statistically plausible outcome when being fed pixels from your camera screen, which means you definitely can trick it.
        _joel 1y ago

by gloosx 1y ago

>ID Check Just send them a random passport photo from the Internet, what's the deal? Probably they are just vibe-verifying the photo with "Is it legit passport?" prompt anyways.

sneak 1y ago

It requires video and an app. They are collecting facial biometrics.

gloosx 1y ago
App? So you cannot verify without a mobile phone?
- sneak 1y ago
  You can’t sign up in the first place without a mobile phone number. They require a phone number and block VoIP services.
  - gloosx 1y ago
    Real mobile phone number to receive a code is 10¢. Maybe a bit more, but certainly not more than a dollar.

_joel 1y ago

I think modern face verification has moved on, it's been video in all my encounters.

gloosx 1y ago
still no real human is involved, as they mention their verification is automated and prohabilistic — which is especially funny to hear in context of verification. Im pretty sure even a kid can go around it, e.g. on the video showing a photo of a person holding his passport which you can find online.
- tethys 1y ago
  No. You have to turn your head, and stuff. Also, even if this would work, they allow only one verification per person per 90 days.
  - gloosx 1y ago
    >one verification per person per 90 days. this is absurd, how do they define "person"? On the internet I can be another person from another country in a minute, another minute I will be a different person from a different country.
- _joel 1y ago
  No, that's not how it works.
  - gloosx 1y ago
    So your saying it's not just feeding your video to the AI model and blindly trusting it's outcome? Any evidence how it works then?
    - _joel 1y ago
      You can't just hold up a 2d object (passport) and wave it about to try and trick it. There are heuristics at work.
      - gloosx 1y ago
        For a regular camera - all objects are 2d, it is not equipped with tools to capture depth. What heuristics are you talking about? There is ML model at work which tries to tell whether the object is legit, but it cannot have any real sense of what is on the image: it just relies on a statistically plausible outcome when being fed pixels from your camera screen, which means you definitely can trick it.
        _joel 1y ago