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> AI could make it happen if it manages to dispense with all these lousy proxies. The thing that you, altman, and every other AI booster fail to explain is how

by lantry 1y ago

> AI could make it happen if it manages to dispense with all these lousy proxies. The thing that you, altman, and every other AI booster fail to explain is how AI will do this. Every argument is littered with "if"s and "could"s, and it's just taken for granted that AI will be smart enough to find a solution that solves all our problems. It's also taken for granted that we'll actually implement the solution! If AI said that curing cancer requires raising taxes, cancer would remain uncured.

__MatrixMan__ 1y ago
I've got a few designs in mind for an alternative to scarcity based economics. I don't presume to have it right, but its worth a shot and its a bit more concrete than blind trust in one technology or another. I thought it would take my whole life to just lay the foundation, but with some AI help, maybe not. The trouble with you naysayers is you always take as immutable things that we can change.
- NoGravitas 1y ago
  We could have had meaningful post-scarcity economics in 1968 (read Murray Bookchin). It is not a technological problem. It is a social problem.
  - __MatrixMan__ 1y ago
    That's a false dichotomy, technological advancement has been solving and causing social problems for as long as there has been technology.
Karrot_Kream 1y ago
So I think this piece by Altman is mostly hype smoke also but I really dislike your framing here. Somehow the "AI boosters" have to come up with a how but the "AI doomers" can just sit back, criticize, and not solution? Let's be real here, US politics is fucked and none of us knows how to fix it.
- lantry 1y ago
  > Somehow the "AI boosters" have to come up with a how but the "AI doomers" can just sit back, criticize, and not solution? as the top level comment pointed out, we have solutions to many of these things, but we choose not to do them. I don't think it's unfair to say "maybe we shouldn't spend billions of dollars on this thing that will probably just reinforce existing power structures". > Let's be real here, US politics is fucked and none of us knows how to fix it. Agreed.

by lantry 1y ago

__MatrixMan__ 1y ago

I've got a few designs in mind for an alternative to scarcity based economics. I don't presume to have it right, but its worth a shot and its a bit more concrete than blind trust in one technology or another. I thought it would take my whole life to just lay the foundation, but with some AI help, maybe not. The trouble with you naysayers is you always take as immutable things that we can change.

NoGravitas 1y ago
We could have had meaningful post-scarcity economics in 1968 (read Murray Bookchin). It is not a technological problem. It is a social problem.
- __MatrixMan__ 1y ago
  That's a false dichotomy, technological advancement has been solving and causing social problems for as long as there has been technology.

Karrot_Kream 1y ago

So I think this piece by Altman is mostly hype smoke also but I really dislike your framing here. Somehow the "AI boosters" have to come up with a how but the "AI doomers" can just sit back, criticize, and not solution? Let's be real here, US politics is fucked and none of us knows how to fix it.

lantry 1y ago
> Somehow the "AI boosters" have to come up with a how but the "AI doomers" can just sit back, criticize, and not solution? as the top level comment pointed out, we have solutions to many of these things, but we choose not to do them. I don't think it's unfair to say "maybe we shouldn't spend billions of dollars on this thing that will probably just reinforce existing power structures". > Let's be real here, US politics is fucked and none of us knows how to fix it. Agreed.