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Yes I have and I think I'm the only person not lying about that fact.

spondylosaurus 1y ago
I am curious... what's up with your "What race is Hal?" questions throughout this thread? Unless I'm super unobservant I legitimately don't remember it being made explicit in the novel. Avril is obviously French-Canadian[1], so she's presumably white, which would also make Hal at least half white, but I don't remember any description of JOI's appearance (when he was alive lol) or ethnicity beyond him being very tall. I feel like a more definitive question could be "Which ETA student is missing several fingers?" or "How did Bruce Green's mom die?" or "What's the call sign for Joelle's radio station?" or "What roams the Great Concavity?"[2] [1] I can't remember if CT is a true Quebecker or not, but if he is, I could at least say that Mario is 100% French-Canadian, lol. [2] Or I just thought of another... "Which ETA student has an ironically apt disease?"
- Boogie_Man 1y ago
  It is made explicit. I believe your questions are more easily Google-able.
  - spondylosaurus 1y ago
    Well this was gonna bother me until I figured it out, so, drumroll... Hal Incandenza is... a white boy! Or at least he says he is. Who would've thunk. > "I’m a privileged white seventeen-year-old U.S. male." I think it has the air of a trick question though. Most readers will (correctly) assume that Hal is white, which the text does little to dispute or confirm barring a throwaway reference or two (and which is unlikely to stand out in their minds since it confirms what they already assumed), so encountering such a question makes it seem like the answer is more complicated than "Shockingly, the tennis heir protagonist written by a white American author is also a white American kid." And for many people it's somewhat gauche to admit that you assumed a character was white by default, so if you hazard a (correct) guess of "Well he's white, isn't he?" but it turns out there was a different throwaway reference to him being a quarter Puerto Rican or something, you might be a little embarrassed! EDIT: I forgot there is actually a throwaway reference to Hal being (at most) 1/8th Native American, lol. > ...a great-grandmother with Pima-tribe Indian S.W. blood, and Canadian cross-breeding...
    - Boogie_Man 1y ago
      You are correct, and I'm proud to grant you the first "Actually Read Infinite Jest" award. You've also come to the proof differently than I did: there's a section wherein the two urban black gentlemen who work at ETA rescue a severely intoxicated stork from the subway. They specify that James was a lost "white boy", which, along with his mother being French Canadian, inform the reader that he is "white". You've also sniffed out my question's exploit, wherein people who haven't actually read the entire book, and who may have read the line about his dark skin near the beginning of the book, will reveal themselves because they assume the obvious answer can't be correct. They "tell on themselves" as the kids say. I smile at the idea that overthinking causes people to reveal they didn't read a book in which overthinking is a major theme. I highly suspect the majority of other commenters in this thread did not fully read the novel. This doesn't make them bad or "inferior", but lying does. They know they are wrong because my pointing it out caused them to become angry. I've started a re read, and I'm taking notes this time. Perhaps we should start a HN bookclub. I do need a new proof if this thread makes this one Googabale.
      - slimeinthe21stc 1y ago
        there's some insinuation that Hal's biological father could be the medical attache: -- Hal's "atavistically dark-complected” -- they share an interest in byzantine erotica -- from what i remember, dates and ages line up correctly to put Avril and attache both attending Brandeis a yearish before Hal is born -- there's a reference or two to James finding that specific affair particularly upsetting -- Avril's said to have a preference for sleeping with Canadians -- the attache is "one-half ethnic Arab and a Canadian by birth and residence" so Hal could potentially be 1/4 "near-eastern"
        Boogie_Man 1y ago
        You might be right, you created an account for this comment, and I acknowledge you as tribal chief uce. I hope my reread might get me to this level.
        spondylosaurus 1y ago
ofalkaed 1y ago
So how about contributing something constructive?
- Boogie_Man 1y ago
  Sorry you didn't read the book
  - TeaBrain 1y ago
    You aren't as extraordinary as you think you are by finishing the book. It is long, but it isn't incredibly long. By making this insinuation of others' lack of honesty in their claims of reading the book, it's as if you either believe the book to be unbearably boring for the average reader, which is odd for a fan of a literary work, or perhaps you'd just prefer to gatekeep this imagined status that you've invented for yourself, as someone who has managed the supposedly inhuman accomplishment of finishing the book. I and likely a decent many others in this thread have read it through. However, I've never convinced myself to have achieved something uniquely exceptional by simply having read what an author wrote, like you seem to have done.
    - Boogie_Man 1y ago
      Reading is incredibly easy in the modern era and I'm not special for having completed the book. I'm of average or sub average intelligence. I'm not gatekeeping anything and encourage everyone to read the book. It probably took me longer to finish than most other people who have. I still don't understand large portions of the novel. That said, I've found that most online conversations about IJ seem to be held by people who really seem like they haven't read the book. I don't understand the phenomenon and haven't offered an explanation. I got on this kick 28 days ago when a commenter here said (about a different novel) "for what it's worth, up to now, you're the only other person in this entire thread I'm convinced has actually read the book.". I reviewed the rest of the comments in the thread, and he had a point. I think that implying you've read a novel you haven't is a frequent occurrence, and it is common with IJ because of the length and the popular intellectual status appeal it had in the 90s. This is a somewhat known phenomenon, as I recall reading a quote from a musician who stated something along the lines of "everyone owns a half read copy of infinite Jest in rehab". It seems to me like people who've read the book could just answer the question. One person in this thread actually did. They certainly read the book. Everyone else? Well, they (and you, in fact) didn't answer a fairly simple question, and then got pissed off. You can draw your own conclusions.

I am curious... what's up with your "What race is Hal?" questions throughout this thread? Unless I'm super unobservant I legitimately don't remember it being made explicit in the novel. Avril is obviously French-Canadian[1], so she's presumably white, which would also make Hal at least half white, but I don't remember any description of JOI's appearance (when he was alive lol) or ethnicity beyond him being very tall. I feel like a more definitive question could be "Which ETA student is missing several fingers?" or "How did Bruce Green's mom die?" or "What's the call sign for Joelle's radio station?" or "What roams the Great Concavity?"[2] [1] I can't remember if CT is a true Quebecker or not, but if he is, I could at least say that Mario is 100% French-Canadian, lol. [2] Or I just thought of another... "Which ETA student has an ironically apt disease?"

Boogie_Man 1y ago
It is made explicit. I believe your questions are more easily Google-able.
- spondylosaurus 1y ago
  Well this was gonna bother me until I figured it out, so, drumroll... Hal Incandenza is... a white boy! Or at least he says he is. Who would've thunk. > "I’m a privileged white seventeen-year-old U.S. male." I think it has the air of a trick question though. Most readers will (correctly) assume that Hal is white, which the text does little to dispute or confirm barring a throwaway reference or two (and which is unlikely to stand out in their minds since it confirms what they already assumed), so encountering such a question makes it seem like the answer is more complicated than "Shockingly, the tennis heir protagonist written by a white American author is also a white American kid." And for many people it's somewhat gauche to admit that you assumed a character was white by default, so if you hazard a (correct) guess of "Well he's white, isn't he?" but it turns out there was a different throwaway reference to him being a quarter Puerto Rican or something, you might be a little embarrassed! EDIT: I forgot there is actually a throwaway reference to Hal being (at most) 1/8th Native American, lol. > ...a great-grandmother with Pima-tribe Indian S.W. blood, and Canadian cross-breeding...
  - Boogie_Man 1y ago
    You are correct, and I'm proud to grant you the first "Actually Read Infinite Jest" award. You've also come to the proof differently than I did: there's a section wherein the two urban black gentlemen who work at ETA rescue a severely intoxicated stork from the subway. They specify that James was a lost "white boy", which, along with his mother being French Canadian, inform the reader that he is "white". You've also sniffed out my question's exploit, wherein people who haven't actually read the entire book, and who may have read the line about his dark skin near the beginning of the book, will reveal themselves because they assume the obvious answer can't be correct. They "tell on themselves" as the kids say. I smile at the idea that overthinking causes people to reveal they didn't read a book in which overthinking is a major theme. I highly suspect the majority of other commenters in this thread did not fully read the novel. This doesn't make them bad or "inferior", but lying does. They know they are wrong because my pointing it out caused them to become angry. I've started a re read, and I'm taking notes this time. Perhaps we should start a HN bookclub. I do need a new proof if this thread makes this one Googabale.
    - slimeinthe21stc 1y ago
      there's some insinuation that Hal's biological father could be the medical attache: -- Hal's "atavistically dark-complected” -- they share an interest in byzantine erotica -- from what i remember, dates and ages line up correctly to put Avril and attache both attending Brandeis a yearish before Hal is born -- there's a reference or two to James finding that specific affair particularly upsetting -- Avril's said to have a preference for sleeping with Canadians -- the attache is "one-half ethnic Arab and a Canadian by birth and residence" so Hal could potentially be 1/4 "near-eastern"
      - Boogie_Man 1y ago
        You might be right, you created an account for this comment, and I acknowledge you as tribal chief uce. I hope my reread might get me to this level.
      - spondylosaurus 1y ago

ofalkaed 1y ago

So how about contributing something constructive?

Boogie_Man 1y ago
Sorry you didn't read the book
- TeaBrain 1y ago
  You aren't as extraordinary as you think you are by finishing the book. It is long, but it isn't incredibly long. By making this insinuation of others' lack of honesty in their claims of reading the book, it's as if you either believe the book to be unbearably boring for the average reader, which is odd for a fan of a literary work, or perhaps you'd just prefer to gatekeep this imagined status that you've invented for yourself, as someone who has managed the supposedly inhuman accomplishment of finishing the book. I and likely a decent many others in this thread have read it through. However, I've never convinced myself to have achieved something uniquely exceptional by simply having read what an author wrote, like you seem to have done.
  - Boogie_Man 1y ago
    Reading is incredibly easy in the modern era and I'm not special for having completed the book. I'm of average or sub average intelligence. I'm not gatekeeping anything and encourage everyone to read the book. It probably took me longer to finish than most other people who have. I still don't understand large portions of the novel. That said, I've found that most online conversations about IJ seem to be held by people who really seem like they haven't read the book. I don't understand the phenomenon and haven't offered an explanation. I got on this kick 28 days ago when a commenter here said (about a different novel) "for what it's worth, up to now, you're the only other person in this entire thread I'm convinced has actually read the book.". I reviewed the rest of the comments in the thread, and he had a point. I think that implying you've read a novel you haven't is a frequent occurrence, and it is common with IJ because of the length and the popular intellectual status appeal it had in the 90s. This is a somewhat known phenomenon, as I recall reading a quote from a musician who stated something along the lines of "everyone owns a half read copy of infinite Jest in rehab". It seems to me like people who've read the book could just answer the question. One person in this thread actually did. They certainly read the book. Everyone else? Well, they (and you, in fact) didn't answer a fairly simple question, and then got pissed off. You can draw your own conclusions.