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If this fine is collected. Will I get the money? Serious question. I don't generally mind paying taxes and all that. But in this case I feel I am the person of

If this fine is collected. Will I get the money? Serious question. I don't generally mind paying taxes and all that. But in this case I feel I am the person offended and I should get some kind of compensation. I'd say €1-2000 would make me feel somewhat compensated.

BlarfMcFlarf 1y ago
Theoretically, fines replace tax revenue, so you get compensated by lower taxes. (Practically, spending and income are decoupled and taxes are mostly just an inflation management strategy.)
- fifilura 1y ago
  I can understand it of course. But in this case I feel personally offended. I would like to see the money handed to me.
  - remram 1y ago
    If most people in your country use Meta apps, whether it's a tax discount spread across the population or a payout spread across the userbase doesn't make a difference. Personally I would like to see some execs go to prison, rather than taxing/fining a monopolistic corporation, which achieves nothing.
    - fifilura 1y ago
      You don't have to explain taxes to me, it is a concept that is pretty easy to grasp, and - even though I understood it already - the grandparent post also explained it . And I touched the subject in my original post. I guess what I am looking for is some kind of personal apology. And that could be manifested in a refund to mu bank account. As I explained above. I don't think sending people to prison helps much. A personal check would open the eyes for a lot of people and make them realize that this company committed a crime. Against you. And you are worth it.
saintfire 1y ago
I have an anecdote about fines not being about making a victim whole. I was hit by a hit-and-run while driving my car. Totally destroyed the back-end. I personally investigated and gathered info/videos to figure out the car and plates because the police essentially said they couldn't be bothered. After finding out the owner of the car the insurance company said that under their criteria it was no longer a hit-and-run and I'm not covered by them. The person did not have insurance. The law here is the owner of the vehicle faces a $2000 fine, plus the $2000 fine for a vehicle being operated without insurance. I was subpoenaed as a witness (lol) to the hit and run, for which I had to take a day off work. So, the government earned a cool $4000 for my troubles, and i was out a $3000 car and a day of work. I've since accepted that fines are just a lazy blunt instrument that serve as nothing more than a deterrent; not a way to fix past injustices. Maybe obvious but still counter intuitive when you're the wronged party.
- fifilura 1y ago
  Thank you for your reply. For me I think a personal handout would also serve as a kind of apology. I guess this is what I am after. "We purposefully infringed your privacy by breaking the law. And made a sh*tload of money because of that violation. Here is the money back with some extra compensation. We are sorry. We promise to never do it again."

BlarfMcFlarf 1y ago

Theoretically, fines replace tax revenue, so you get compensated by lower taxes. (Practically, spending and income are decoupled and taxes are mostly just an inflation management strategy.)

fifilura 1y ago
I can understand it of course. But in this case I feel personally offended. I would like to see the money handed to me.
- remram 1y ago
  If most people in your country use Meta apps, whether it's a tax discount spread across the population or a payout spread across the userbase doesn't make a difference. Personally I would like to see some execs go to prison, rather than taxing/fining a monopolistic corporation, which achieves nothing.
  - fifilura 1y ago
    You don't have to explain taxes to me, it is a concept that is pretty easy to grasp, and - even though I understood it already - the grandparent post also explained it . And I touched the subject in my original post. I guess what I am looking for is some kind of personal apology. And that could be manifested in a refund to mu bank account. As I explained above. I don't think sending people to prison helps much. A personal check would open the eyes for a lot of people and make them realize that this company committed a crime. Against you. And you are worth it.

saintfire 1y ago

I have an anecdote about fines not being about making a victim whole. I was hit by a hit-and-run while driving my car. Totally destroyed the back-end. I personally investigated and gathered info/videos to figure out the car and plates because the police essentially said they couldn't be bothered. After finding out the owner of the car the insurance company said that under their criteria it was no longer a hit-and-run and I'm not covered by them. The person did not have insurance. The law here is the owner of the vehicle faces a $2000 fine, plus the $2000 fine for a vehicle being operated without insurance. I was subpoenaed as a witness (lol) to the hit and run, for which I had to take a day off work. So, the government earned a cool $4000 for my troubles, and i was out a $3000 car and a day of work. I've since accepted that fines are just a lazy blunt instrument that serve as nothing more than a deterrent; not a way to fix past injustices. Maybe obvious but still counter intuitive when you're the wronged party.

fifilura 1y ago
Thank you for your reply. For me I think a personal handout would also serve as a kind of apology. I guess this is what I am after. "We purposefully infringed your privacy by breaking the law. And made a sh*tload of money because of that violation. Here is the money back with some extra compensation. We are sorry. We promise to never do it again."