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> - First-party defaults for all the platform pieces: Messaging, Payments, Photos, Music, Media, Navigation, etc. Every single one of these lets Apple and Googl

> - First-party defaults for all the platform pieces: Messaging, Payments, Photos, Music, Media, Navigation, etc. Every single one of these lets Apple and Google squeeze another industry and forces us into a pit of no-innovation. Don't/can't Android manufacturers provide alternative defaults here?

_ea1k 1y ago
Yes, and most people hate it when they do that.
- echelon 1y ago
  Probably the biggest case for a full-on Google breakup. Android being split from the platform components. A new company probably still couldn't develop platform pieces if that chink in the armor was made available by the DOJ. But if Google were split along those lines into two or more companies, it would provide nice and healthy gradients on both the hardware/OS and the platform/software sides of the market. We really do need a Google breakup.
  - isaacaggrey 1y ago
    I agree with your parent post but why would a breakup not equally apply to Apple?
    - echelon 1y ago
      It should! But the parent was referring to Android manufacturers.
  - warkdarrior 1y ago
    > Probably the biggest case for a full-on Google breakup. Android being split from the platform components. Isn't core Android open source? As long as you do not need Google apps and Google services, you can use Android OSS right now without Google's platform components.
diffeomorphism 1y ago
Wasn't that what all the 2015 antitrust stuff was about? Manufacturers were contractually forbidden from doing that.
- rawling 1y ago
  Thanks, that helped me find this which does sound like it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google_by_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google...
- izacus 1y ago
  Samsung literally provides their own alternative for all of these.
  - diffeomorphism 1y ago
    No, they provide them in addition but not as replacements/defaults. That is what the discussion was about.

_ea1k 1y ago

Yes, and most people hate it when they do that.

echelon 1y ago
Probably the biggest case for a full-on Google breakup. Android being split from the platform components. A new company probably still couldn't develop platform pieces if that chink in the armor was made available by the DOJ. But if Google were split along those lines into two or more companies, it would provide nice and healthy gradients on both the hardware/OS and the platform/software sides of the market. We really do need a Google breakup.
- isaacaggrey 1y ago
  I agree with your parent post but why would a breakup not equally apply to Apple?
  - echelon 1y ago
    It should! But the parent was referring to Android manufacturers.
- warkdarrior 1y ago
  > Probably the biggest case for a full-on Google breakup. Android being split from the platform components. Isn't core Android open source? As long as you do not need Google apps and Google services, you can use Android OSS right now without Google's platform components.

diffeomorphism 1y ago

Wasn't that what all the 2015 antitrust stuff was about? Manufacturers were contractually forbidden from doing that.

rawling 1y ago
Thanks, that helped me find this which does sound like it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google_by_the_European_Union https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_cases_against_Google...
izacus 1y ago
Samsung literally provides their own alternative for all of these.
- diffeomorphism 1y ago
  No, they provide them in addition but not as replacements/defaults. That is what the discussion was about.