Well, what we're talking about isn't micro, local-scale effects but more like climate and weather. I agree, those things are totally obvious, but it isn't alway

Well, what we're talking about isn't micro, local-scale effects but more like climate and weather. I agree, those things are totally obvious, but it isn't always obvious what they mean at broader scales. Even some of the obvious local effects can totally transform once they culminate, leading to non-obvious results of very obvious local properties of trees.