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Trump would not have won if Dems had not escalated illegal immigration 2020-24. It was such an unforced error on Biden's part

JCattheATM 1y ago
That was never a real issue, it was just something pushed by Fox.
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
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  - JCattheATM 1y ago
    No, it's not an error at all, but you're showing the real problem in your reply. I'd suggest doing some light reading on the reliability and integrity of the sources you prefer to get your 'news' from.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    The error is that you're ignoring the actual statistics in lieu of what Fox told you. I can't make a horse drink, but feel free to look up the immigration statistics in Biden's term vs trump's first term.
motorest 1y ago
> Trump would not have won if Dems had not escalated illegal immigration 2020-24. Do you actually have any source to support your claim? I mean, MAGA nuts have been swearing for over a decade that there was a torrent of illegal immigrants arriving each day into the country, and that somehow democrats were to blame, but even after Trump's fascist push with it's forced deportations of everyone including US citizens without due process the numbers barely reached 100k. And now we're seeing Trump's ICE thugs mobilizing a small army of agents to assault Home Depot parking lots? Where are all those illegal immigrants?
- atombender 1y ago
  The Congressional Budget Office estimated [1] about 10.4m immigrants during 2020-2024, more than 3 times more than under Trump's first term, and of which most was illegal immigration. The numbers cited by Republican scaremongers like Stephen Miller were probably inflated and derived from CBP border encounters, rather than on how many people were entering the country. But there does seem to have been a significant surge, partly thanks to new immigration programs that made it easier to entering the country while seeking asylum. Deportations seems to have remained high under Biden. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-surge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-s...
hypeatei 1y ago
Ah yes, you're doing the meme: if ANYTHING happens it means "fuck the Democrats" Sure, it couldn't possibly be anything else like inflation after COVID (which happened globally) that caused incumbents to lose around the world. No, Dems just needed to get this one thing right and they're to blame for Trump. Sure. EDIT: https://imgur.com/uPJAxEl https://imgur.com/uPJAxEl
- ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
  You're mistaken. I'm pro Trump and have been for many years. I just don't think we would have won if the Dems hadn't handed us the victory. Thank you Democrats!
  - kubb 1y ago
    Do you think Elon was telling the truth about the Epstein files?
  - hypeatei 1y ago
    The meme is still applicable to MAGA voters. For example, Trump could start a riot at the Capitol and it would be Dems' fault for not doing enough to stop it.
    - SauciestGNU 1y ago
      "But why didn't Nancy Pelosi deploy the National Guard?"
    - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
      I already told you I’m pro Trump. What is your point here?
      - uxcolumbo 1y ago
        Out of interest: How has Trump improved our lives and country in his first term? And how is he improving our lives now? Trying to understand how you as an HNer, who I’m assuming applies logical / critical thinking, considers facts and evidence as important, can vote for someone who a) is a convicted criminal b) absolutely not interested in improving our lives. What’s the appeal?
mensetmanusman 1y ago
Probably had more to do with the “weekend at Biden‘s” situation.

JCattheATM 1y ago

That was never a real issue, it was just something pushed by Fox.

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
[flagged]
- JCattheATM 1y ago
  No, it's not an error at all, but you're showing the real problem in your reply. I'd suggest doing some light reading on the reliability and integrity of the sources you prefer to get your 'news' from.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  The error is that you're ignoring the actual statistics in lieu of what Fox told you. I can't make a horse drink, but feel free to look up the immigration statistics in Biden's term vs trump's first term.

motorest 1y ago

> Trump would not have won if Dems had not escalated illegal immigration 2020-24. Do you actually have any source to support your claim? I mean, MAGA nuts have been swearing for over a decade that there was a torrent of illegal immigrants arriving each day into the country, and that somehow democrats were to blame, but even after Trump's fascist push with it's forced deportations of everyone including US citizens without due process the numbers barely reached 100k. And now we're seeing Trump's ICE thugs mobilizing a small army of agents to assault Home Depot parking lots? Where are all those illegal immigrants?

atombender 1y ago
The Congressional Budget Office estimated [1] about 10.4m immigrants during 2020-2024, more than 3 times more than under Trump's first term, and of which most was illegal immigration. The numbers cited by Republican scaremongers like Stephen Miller were probably inflated and derived from CBP border encounters, rather than on how many people were entering the country. But there does seem to have been a significant surge, partly thanks to new immigration programs that made it easier to entering the country while seeking asylum. Deportations seems to have remained high under Biden. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-surge.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/11/briefing/us-immigration-s...

hypeatei 1y ago

Ah yes, you're doing the meme: if ANYTHING happens it means "fuck the Democrats" Sure, it couldn't possibly be anything else like inflation after COVID (which happened globally) that caused incumbents to lose around the world. No, Dems just needed to get this one thing right and they're to blame for Trump. Sure. EDIT: https://imgur.com/uPJAxEl https://imgur.com/uPJAxEl

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
You're mistaken. I'm pro Trump and have been for many years. I just don't think we would have won if the Dems hadn't handed us the victory. Thank you Democrats!
- kubb 1y ago
  Do you think Elon was telling the truth about the Epstein files?
- hypeatei 1y ago
  The meme is still applicable to MAGA voters. For example, Trump could start a riot at the Capitol and it would be Dems' fault for not doing enough to stop it.
  - SauciestGNU 1y ago
    "But why didn't Nancy Pelosi deploy the National Guard?"
  - ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
    I already told you I’m pro Trump. What is your point here?
    - uxcolumbo 1y ago
      Out of interest: How has Trump improved our lives and country in his first term? And how is he improving our lives now? Trying to understand how you as an HNer, who I’m assuming applies logical / critical thinking, considers facts and evidence as important, can vote for someone who a) is a convicted criminal b) absolutely not interested in improving our lives. What’s the appeal?

mensetmanusman 1y ago

Probably had more to do with the “weekend at Biden‘s” situation.