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Especially now that they are second in the race (behind Anthropic) and lot of free-to-download and free-to-use models are now starting to be viable competitors.

by rvnx 1y ago

Especially now that they are second in the race (behind Anthropic) and lot of free-to-download and free-to-use models are now starting to be viable competitors. Once new MacBooks and iPhones have enough memory onboard this is going to be a disaster for OpenAI and other providers.

aerhardt 1y ago
OpenAI are second in the race to Anthropic in some benchmarks (maybe?), but OpenAI still dwarves Anthropic in distribution and popularity.
- ratedgene 1y ago
  That's slowly changing. I know some relatively non-tech savvy young people using things like Claude for various reasons, so people are exploring options.
  - jstummbillig 1y ago
    Very, very slowly. OpenAI vs Anthropic on Google Trends https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=%2Fg%2F11csrrqr2z,%2Fg%2F11bxc656v6&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=... ChatGPT vs Claude on Google Trends https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=Claude,%2Fg%2F11khcfz0y2&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=...
    - rvnx 1y ago
      This is such a big difference, thank you for sharing it, I didn't expect the gap to be _that_ huge
    - sndean 1y ago
      I wonder how much of this is brand name? Like Kleenex. Non-tech people might not search for LLM, generative AI, etc. ChatGPT may just be what people have heard of. I’m assuming OpenAI has a large advantage over Anthropic, and the name helps, but I bet the name is exaggerating the difference here a bit. Not everyone buys Kleenex branded Kleenex.
      - jstummbillig 1y ago
        You are not going to find Claude when googling for ChatGPT
mattnewton 1y ago
I'm not sure they're scared of Anthropic - they're doing great work but afaict running into some scaling issues and really focused on winning over developers at the moment. If I was OpenAI (or Anthropic for that matter) I would remain scared of Google, who is now awake and able to dump Gemini 2.5 pro on the market at costs that I'm not sure people without their own hardware can compete with, and with the infrastructure to handle everyone switching to them tomorrow.
- itomato 1y ago
  Codex Research Preview appeared in my account in the early AM.
- piuantiderp 1y ago
  Google is going to lap them. The hardware muscle they have has not even started flexing
koakuma-chan 1y ago
What do you mean, Google is number 1
jdprgm 1y ago
While mac unified ram inference is great for prosumers+ I really don't foresee Apple making 128GB+ options affordable enough to be attractive for inference for the general public. iPhone even less so considering the latest is only at 8GB. Meanwhile the best model sizes will just keep growing.
paxys 1y ago
Third behind Anthropic/Google. People are too quick to discount mindshare though. For the vast majority of the world's population AI = LLM = ChatGPT, and that itself will keep OpenAI years ahead of the competition as long as they don't blunder away that audience.
slashdev 1y ago
Thrid for coding, after Anthropic, and Gemini, which was leading last I checked.

by rvnx 1y ago

aerhardt 1y ago

OpenAI are second in the race to Anthropic in some benchmarks (maybe?), but OpenAI still dwarves Anthropic in distribution and popularity.

ratedgene 1y ago
That's slowly changing. I know some relatively non-tech savvy young people using things like Claude for various reasons, so people are exploring options.
- jstummbillig 1y ago
  Very, very slowly. OpenAI vs Anthropic on Google Trends https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=%2Fg%2F11csrrqr2z,%2Fg%2F11bxc656v6&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=... ChatGPT vs Claude on Google Trends https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=Claude,%2Fg%2F11khcfz0y2&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%203-m&q=...
  - rvnx 1y ago
    This is such a big difference, thank you for sharing it, I didn't expect the gap to be _that_ huge
  - sndean 1y ago
    I wonder how much of this is brand name? Like Kleenex. Non-tech people might not search for LLM, generative AI, etc. ChatGPT may just be what people have heard of. I’m assuming OpenAI has a large advantage over Anthropic, and the name helps, but I bet the name is exaggerating the difference here a bit. Not everyone buys Kleenex branded Kleenex.
    - jstummbillig 1y ago
      You are not going to find Claude when googling for ChatGPT

mattnewton 1y ago

I'm not sure they're scared of Anthropic - they're doing great work but afaict running into some scaling issues and really focused on winning over developers at the moment. If I was OpenAI (or Anthropic for that matter) I would remain scared of Google, who is now awake and able to dump Gemini 2.5 pro on the market at costs that I'm not sure people without their own hardware can compete with, and with the infrastructure to handle everyone switching to them tomorrow.

itomato 1y ago
Codex Research Preview appeared in my account in the early AM.
piuantiderp 1y ago
Google is going to lap them. The hardware muscle they have has not even started flexing

koakuma-chan 1y ago

What do you mean, Google is number 1

jdprgm 1y ago

While mac unified ram inference is great for prosumers+ I really don't foresee Apple making 128GB+ options affordable enough to be attractive for inference for the general public. iPhone even less so considering the latest is only at 8GB. Meanwhile the best model sizes will just keep growing.

paxys 1y ago

Third behind Anthropic/Google. People are too quick to discount mindshare though. For the vast majority of the world's population AI = LLM = ChatGPT, and that itself will keep OpenAI years ahead of the competition as long as they don't blunder away that audience.

slashdev 1y ago

Thrid for coding, after Anthropic, and Gemini, which was leading last I checked.