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If the Dems of 2020 understood that twitter is largely a fringe group of outspoken individuals, they probably would have won in landslide victories. Even if Bid

If the Dems of 2020 understood that twitter is largely a fringe group of outspoken individuals, they probably would have won in landslide victories. Even if Biden had chosen a strong leader as VP rather than go with a diversity hire to appease the twitterites, we still could have probably avoided this.

pjc50 1y ago
> If the Dems of 2020 understood that twitter is largely a fringe group of outspoken individuals, And Elon Musk, former presidential vizir. There's clearly power in Twitter, but it leans right as well.
aaronbaugher 1y ago
The irony is that, if they hadn't fortified (to use Time's winking term) the election in 2020 and let Trump stay in office, his second term would have been much like the first, bogged down by Pence and the rest of the establishment drones around him, including his own kids. In that timeline he doesn't spend four years defending himself against lawfare in kangaroo courts and ducking bullets, and decide to get serious in his second term. He would have gotten the full blame for Operation Warpspeed and the Covid mandates, instead of sharing it with Biden. Also, Elon doesn't buy Twitter and join forces with him, so Twitter remains a safe space for the left. Things could have been much different.
- croisillon 1y ago
  how do you mean "let [him] stay in office" ? less people voted for trump than for his opponent, in both 2020 and 2016
  - aaronbaugher 1y ago
    Read the Time article[1] on how the US bureaucratic and corporate establishment teamed up to "fortify" the election to make sure Trump wouldn't win, which uses words like "conspiracy" and "shadow election" approvingly. He was expected to win coming into campaign season, since peacetime presidents with good economies almost never lose, so much so that the Democrats ran one of their old war-horses to let him pad his campaign chest in a losing effort, their version of a Dole or McCain. Then Covid brought on mail-in balloting and the opportunities that presented, and the establishment took advantage. However much you think that did or didn't cross the line from "fortification" to fraud isn't the point. The point is that if they hadn't done so much of it, Trump would have won the election (in the electoral college, which is what matters), and he would be a footnote now, after spending his second term building a few more miles of border wall and probably not a lot else. [1] https://time.com/magazine/us/5936018/february-15th-2021-vol-197-no-5-u-s/ https://time.com/magazine/us/5936018/february-15th-2021-vol-...
kjkjadksj 1y ago
Replacing him with kamala was the stupidest thing the dnc has done in recent years. What a vote of no confidence towards your own party when you actually bend to trumps bullshit ageism rhetoric and replace him at the final hour with a pick no one voted for. I just do not understand the logic behind the move for the dnc at all. Especially in hindsight when whatever it was supposed to achieve did not work at all.
- spacechild1 1y ago
  First, they had to replace him after his disastrous debate performance. Second, who should they have picked? Biden only dropped out in the last minute, so there was hardly any time for building up a new candidate. Biden insisted on running for a second term, against earlier promises, and failed to build up a strong successor during his first term. The Dems were in a very difficult position. Biden and his inner circle are the ones to blame here. What a historic fuck up!
  - kjkjadksj 1y ago
    No one sits on the fence and watches a debate to decide their potus stance anymore, lines are already drawn in the sand at that point. But still they made a move that left many dems feeling disenfranchised having to vote for a candidate that had no primary. And what do you know, trump had more or less the same votes as in past elections while the dems didn’t turn out. I still think they should have stuck it out with joe. At least people voted for him in a primary. His economy was doing well. We emerged from the pandemic under him.
    - spacechild1 1y ago
      To be clear: I think Biden was a decent president, he just shouldn't have run for a second term. Sticking it out hasn't been an option for the Dems because Biden's mental and physical decline has become obvious by then. His poll results were already desastrous, there was no chance he could have won. If Biden had decided not to run for a second term early on, he would be remembered as the man who defeated Trump. Now he made history as the one who (unwittingly) enabled the second Trump administration. It's a tragedy.
johnnyanmac 1y ago
I think the neoliberal regime is the exact opposite of the ones capitulating to twitterites. Harris was vice president and in the establishment, they chose to push her instead of making an emergency primary.

pjc50 1y ago

> If the Dems of 2020 understood that twitter is largely a fringe group of outspoken individuals, And Elon Musk, former presidential vizir. There's clearly power in Twitter, but it leans right as well.

aaronbaugher 1y ago

The irony is that, if they hadn't fortified (to use Time's winking term) the election in 2020 and let Trump stay in office, his second term would have been much like the first, bogged down by Pence and the rest of the establishment drones around him, including his own kids. In that timeline he doesn't spend four years defending himself against lawfare in kangaroo courts and ducking bullets, and decide to get serious in his second term. He would have gotten the full blame for Operation Warpspeed and the Covid mandates, instead of sharing it with Biden. Also, Elon doesn't buy Twitter and join forces with him, so Twitter remains a safe space for the left. Things could have been much different.

croisillon 1y ago
how do you mean "let [him] stay in office" ? less people voted for trump than for his opponent, in both 2020 and 2016
- aaronbaugher 1y ago
  Read the Time article[1] on how the US bureaucratic and corporate establishment teamed up to "fortify" the election to make sure Trump wouldn't win, which uses words like "conspiracy" and "shadow election" approvingly. He was expected to win coming into campaign season, since peacetime presidents with good economies almost never lose, so much so that the Democrats ran one of their old war-horses to let him pad his campaign chest in a losing effort, their version of a Dole or McCain. Then Covid brought on mail-in balloting and the opportunities that presented, and the establishment took advantage. However much you think that did or didn't cross the line from "fortification" to fraud isn't the point. The point is that if they hadn't done so much of it, Trump would have won the election (in the electoral college, which is what matters), and he would be a footnote now, after spending his second term building a few more miles of border wall and probably not a lot else. [1] https://time.com/magazine/us/5936018/february-15th-2021-vol-197-no-5-u-s/ https://time.com/magazine/us/5936018/february-15th-2021-vol-...

kjkjadksj 1y ago

Replacing him with kamala was the stupidest thing the dnc has done in recent years. What a vote of no confidence towards your own party when you actually bend to trumps bullshit ageism rhetoric and replace him at the final hour with a pick no one voted for. I just do not understand the logic behind the move for the dnc at all. Especially in hindsight when whatever it was supposed to achieve did not work at all.

spacechild1 1y ago
First, they had to replace him after his disastrous debate performance. Second, who should they have picked? Biden only dropped out in the last minute, so there was hardly any time for building up a new candidate. Biden insisted on running for a second term, against earlier promises, and failed to build up a strong successor during his first term. The Dems were in a very difficult position. Biden and his inner circle are the ones to blame here. What a historic fuck up!
- kjkjadksj 1y ago
  No one sits on the fence and watches a debate to decide their potus stance anymore, lines are already drawn in the sand at that point. But still they made a move that left many dems feeling disenfranchised having to vote for a candidate that had no primary. And what do you know, trump had more or less the same votes as in past elections while the dems didn’t turn out. I still think they should have stuck it out with joe. At least people voted for him in a primary. His economy was doing well. We emerged from the pandemic under him.
  - spacechild1 1y ago
    To be clear: I think Biden was a decent president, he just shouldn't have run for a second term. Sticking it out hasn't been an option for the Dems because Biden's mental and physical decline has become obvious by then. His poll results were already desastrous, there was no chance he could have won. If Biden had decided not to run for a second term early on, he would be remembered as the man who defeated Trump. Now he made history as the one who (unwittingly) enabled the second Trump administration. It's a tragedy.

johnnyanmac 1y ago

I think the neoliberal regime is the exact opposite of the ones capitulating to twitterites. Harris was vice president and in the establishment, they chose to push her instead of making an emergency primary.