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Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over t

Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

newdee 1y ago
Both can be true
troyvit 1y ago
Honest question, because I don't see it here in Colorado: Who has it adversely affected? Crime rates among illegal immigrants are lower than the rest of the population [1] [2] [3] and illegal immigrants are the backbone of our agricultural system [4] So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt? Because when I see the amount of perfectly legal murder, robbery and torture happening in the U.S. [5] [6] [7] [8] I just don't understand what the big deal is. I guess it's whataboutism, but when we have limited resources, why are we using them for this specific problem? How bad is it compared to this other stuff? [1] https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o... (the feds took it down -- gee I wonder why -- but the facts are in the permalink) [2] https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridden-narrative-immigrants-crime https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridd... [3] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7768760/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7768760/ [4] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#legalstatus https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#lega... [5] https://www.techtarget.com/revcyclemanagement/feature/Breaking-down-claim-denial-rates-by-healthcare-payer https://www.techtarget.com/revcyclemanagement/feature/Breaki... [6] https://ij.org/press-release/new-report-finds-civil-forfeiture-rakes-in-billions-each-year-does-not-fight-crime-2/ https://ij.org/press-release/new-report-finds-civil-forfeitu... [7] https://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/27/whistleblower-exposes-torture-and-child-abuse-profit-prison https://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/27/whistleblower-e... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#United_States
- matt-attack 1y ago
  https://apnews.com/article/new-york-migrants-shelter-time-limit-a028edfe8b2cee99eaadf07f423a6f6a https://apnews.com/article/new-york-migrants-shelter-time-li... https://nhjournal.com/as-illegal-immigrants-swamp-mas-emergency-shelters-healey-reverses-course/ https://nhjournal.com/as-illegal-immigrants-swamp-mas-emerge... https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-arrested-broad-daylight-rape-13-year-old-new-york-park https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-arrested-broad-daylight-r... https://abcnews.go.com/US/migrant-custody-person-interest-rape-13-year-queens/story?id=111213630 https://abcnews.go.com/US/migrant-custody-person-interest-ra... https://www.nationalreview.com/news/salvadoran-illegal-immigrant-charged-with-rape-murder-of-maryland-mother/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/salvadoran-illegal-immig... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/haitian-migrant-accused-of-raping-teen-girl-in-boston-freed-on-500-bail/ar-BB1p56zg https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/haitian-migrant-accused...
  - troyvit 1y ago
    This answers my question very well: > So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt? Your answer: not many people, not nearly as many as our prisons-for-profit our healthcare-for-profit systems. Plenty of legals rape 13 year olds, hell a legal here in my home town cut open a mom to be and tried to kidnap her fetus. So yeah your anecdata proves my suspicion. This illegal immigration crackdown is a false flag for racism and xenophobia. As long as people have feet they're going to move, and as long as people have brains, they're going to resent and fear that.
    - CapricornNoble 1y ago
      As an American minority who has emigrated to an Asian country known for strict immigration enforcement and ethnocentrism, this is just a bizarre take to me. On HN, where there are regular posts about cybersecurity and vulnerabilities, for some reason people fail to grasp the concept of national-level Physical Access Control. For a country with a trillion-dollar security budget and an all-too-cozy relationship with the jailers of the world's largest open-air prison (Palestine), we should not have millions slipping through the cracks. We should not have repeated offenders committing high-profile violent crimes. "Our domestic systems are broken and ruin more lives so anyone who opposes foreign criminals preying on our citizens is a racist." No. Some of us minorities appreciate law & order too. Immigration enforcement is low-hanging fruit from a policy perspective IMO, with real, tangible positive impacts on the quality of life of the citizenry. Going after the monied class that benefits from the prisons-for-profit is a MUCH harder objective (but also absolutely necessary and SHOULD be done in conjunction with the street enforcement). I find nobody hates criminal immigrants quite like law-abiding immigrants; we end up stereotyped due to the actions of the high-profile idiots. All that said, I find that many actions which would be "government doing its job" in other countries bring out the worst low-IQ racists in the US in support.
const_cast 1y ago
> Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Coming as someone living in Texas - yes, it affects no one. It's always been an hallucination. We just attribute random things to "the illegals" when, in reality, they're not hurting anyone. In fact, if you've ever been in Texas, you'd know this state is run by illegals. I drive around and I see homes being built out the wazoo and who's on the roof? Huh? Who is it? It's not white people. I drive down 114 and they got 2 lanes closed for construction and I look over and what is working on the concrete? It's not white people. I stop by 7/11 to buy a coke and who checks me out? People just don't like "illegals" because they're racist. That's the hard truth, the pill a lot of y'all don't want to swallow.
- 4d4m 1y ago
  Absolutely. Our country is built on the work of immigrants as much as anyone else. We should celebrate every hard worker that contributes with a path to citizenship.
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amanaplanacanal 1y ago
Because their actions belie that narrative? If they went after employers, people wouldn't be coming here looking for jobs.
ohthatsnotright 1y ago
Can you tell me how all those immigrants "flaunting the law" were affording food and rent, if not for a U.S. citizen paying them for their labor? Why are we not going after those who pay first? Nip the problem in the bud.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? Except these raids aren’t targeting that population. They’re going after the ones paying taxes. To the extent we have folks overburdening the system, it’s largely our native born (and refugees).
- s1artibartfast 1y ago
  Are they? Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics?
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics? As of Saturday, it was about 118 arrests, 20 of which appeared to have been targeted towards dangerous people [1]. Otherwise, the locations of the raids have been employers, e.g. the garment warehouse [2] and Italian restaurant. I am assuming they aren’t working for free. (To my knowledge, no refugee centres have been raided as part of these actions in LA.) [1] https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/officials-name-12-ice-arrestees-at-least-two-appear-to-have-been-in-custody-before-raids https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/officials-name-12-ic... [2] https://abc7.com/post/who-is-ice-arresting-in-socal-raids-7-on-your-side-investigates/16708943/ https://abc7.com/post/who-is-ice-arresting-in-socal-raids-7-...
jonplackett 1y ago
It’s not a conspiracy theory to say the powerful’s modus operandi is ‘divide and rule’. It’s been this way for thousands of years. We gotta stop calling people working hard manual jobs 7 days a week the scroungers and start calling the people working 0 days a week and collecting rent and passive income the scroungers - they are the real drain on society.

newdee 1y ago

Both can be true

troyvit 1y ago

Honest question, because I don't see it here in Colorado: Who has it adversely affected? Crime rates among illegal immigrants are lower than the rest of the population [1] [2] [3] and illegal immigrants are the backbone of our agricultural system [4] So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt? Because when I see the amount of perfectly legal murder, robbery and torture happening in the U.S. [5] [6] [7] [8] I just don't understand what the big deal is. I guess it's whataboutism, but when we have limited resources, why are we using them for this specific problem? How bad is it compared to this other stuff? [1] https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-o... (the feds took it down -- gee I wonder why -- but the facts are in the permalink) [2] https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridden-narrative-immigrants-crime https://www.cato.org/blog/white-houses-misleading-error-ridd... [3] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7768760/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7768760/ [4] https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#legalstatus https://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/farm-economy/farm-labor#lega... [5] https://www.techtarget.com/revcyclemanagement/feature/Breaking-down-claim-denial-rates-by-healthcare-payer https://www.techtarget.com/revcyclemanagement/feature/Breaki... [6] https://ij.org/press-release/new-report-finds-civil-forfeiture-rakes-in-billions-each-year-does-not-fight-crime-2/ https://ij.org/press-release/new-report-finds-civil-forfeitu... [7] https://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/27/whistleblower-exposes-torture-and-child-abuse-profit-prison https://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/07/27/whistleblower-e... [8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_prison#United_States

matt-attack 1y ago
https://apnews.com/article/new-york-migrants-shelter-time-limit-a028edfe8b2cee99eaadf07f423a6f6a https://apnews.com/article/new-york-migrants-shelter-time-li... https://nhjournal.com/as-illegal-immigrants-swamp-mas-emergency-shelters-healey-reverses-course/ https://nhjournal.com/as-illegal-immigrants-swamp-mas-emerge... https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-arrested-broad-daylight-rape-13-year-old-new-york-park https://www.foxnews.com/us/migrant-arrested-broad-daylight-r... https://abcnews.go.com/US/migrant-custody-person-interest-rape-13-year-queens/story?id=111213630 https://abcnews.go.com/US/migrant-custody-person-interest-ra... https://www.nationalreview.com/news/salvadoran-illegal-immigrant-charged-with-rape-murder-of-maryland-mother/ https://www.nationalreview.com/news/salvadoran-illegal-immig... https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/haitian-migrant-accused-of-raping-teen-girl-in-boston-freed-on-500-bail/ar-BB1p56zg https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/haitian-migrant-accused...
- troyvit 1y ago
  This answers my question very well: > So ... who is hurt and how badly are they hurt? Your answer: not many people, not nearly as many as our prisons-for-profit our healthcare-for-profit systems. Plenty of legals rape 13 year olds, hell a legal here in my home town cut open a mom to be and tried to kidnap her fetus. So yeah your anecdata proves my suspicion. This illegal immigration crackdown is a false flag for racism and xenophobia. As long as people have feet they're going to move, and as long as people have brains, they're going to resent and fear that.
  - CapricornNoble 1y ago
    As an American minority who has emigrated to an Asian country known for strict immigration enforcement and ethnocentrism, this is just a bizarre take to me. On HN, where there are regular posts about cybersecurity and vulnerabilities, for some reason people fail to grasp the concept of national-level Physical Access Control. For a country with a trillion-dollar security budget and an all-too-cozy relationship with the jailers of the world's largest open-air prison (Palestine), we should not have millions slipping through the cracks. We should not have repeated offenders committing high-profile violent crimes. "Our domestic systems are broken and ruin more lives so anyone who opposes foreign criminals preying on our citizens is a racist." No. Some of us minorities appreciate law & order too. Immigration enforcement is low-hanging fruit from a policy perspective IMO, with real, tangible positive impacts on the quality of life of the citizenry. Going after the monied class that benefits from the prisons-for-profit is a MUCH harder objective (but also absolutely necessary and SHOULD be done in conjunction with the street enforcement). I find nobody hates criminal immigrants quite like law-abiding immigrants; we end up stereotyped due to the actions of the high-profile idiots. All that said, I find that many actions which would be "government doing its job" in other countries bring out the worst low-IQ racists in the US in support.

const_cast 1y ago

> Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Coming as someone living in Texas - yes, it affects no one. It's always been an hallucination. We just attribute random things to "the illegals" when, in reality, they're not hurting anyone. In fact, if you've ever been in Texas, you'd know this state is run by illegals. I drive around and I see homes being built out the wazoo and who's on the roof? Huh? Who is it? It's not white people. I drive down 114 and they got 2 lanes closed for construction and I look over and what is working on the concrete? It's not white people. I stop by 7/11 to buy a coke and who checks me out? People just don't like "illegals" because they're racist. That's the hard truth, the pill a lot of y'all don't want to swallow.

4d4m 1y ago
Absolutely. Our country is built on the work of immigrants as much as anyone else. We should celebrate every hard worker that contributes with a path to citizenship.
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amanaplanacanal 1y ago

Because their actions belie that narrative? If they went after employers, people wouldn't be coming here looking for jobs.

ohthatsnotright 1y ago

Can you tell me how all those immigrants "flaunting the law" were affording food and rent, if not for a U.S. citizen paying them for their labor? Why are we not going after those who pay first? Nip the problem in the bud.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? Except these raids aren’t targeting that population. They’re going after the ones paying taxes. To the extent we have folks overburdening the system, it’s largely our native born (and refugees).

s1artibartfast 1y ago
Are they? Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Do we have any statistical information on who is being apprehended and their characteristics? As of Saturday, it was about 118 arrests, 20 of which appeared to have been targeted towards dangerous people [1]. Otherwise, the locations of the raids have been employers, e.g. the garment warehouse [2] and Italian restaurant. I am assuming they aren’t working for free. (To my knowledge, no refugee centres have been raided as part of these actions in LA.) [1] https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/officials-name-12-ice-arrestees-at-least-two-appear-to-have-been-in-custody-before-raids https://laist.com/news/criminal-justice/officials-name-12-ic... [2] https://abc7.com/post/who-is-ice-arresting-in-socal-raids-7-on-your-side-investigates/16708943/ https://abc7.com/post/who-is-ice-arresting-in-socal-raids-7-...

jonplackett 1y ago

It’s not a conspiracy theory to say the powerful’s modus operandi is ‘divide and rule’. It’s been this way for thousands of years. We gotta stop calling people working hard manual jobs 7 days a week the scroungers and start calling the people working 0 days a week and collecting rent and passive income the scroungers - they are the real drain on society.