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> when devising economic incentives As capitalism has yielded to materialism, men and women have forgotten to prioritize the sacrement of marriage. I'm not he

> when devising economic incentives As capitalism has yielded to materialism, men and women have forgotten to prioritize the sacrement of marriage. I'm not here to boss anyone in particular around, but one must judge the tree in general by the fruit.

chneu 1y ago
Lmao the sacrament of marriage. Wtf are you talking about? It's a man-made contractual obligation used to strengthen financial and political strength. Marriage is entirely unnecessary in today's world.
- smitty1e 1y ago
  The demographics tell the tale.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Perhaps you, too, can tell the tale, instead of waving around some moralistic mumbo jumbo like you're burning sage.
    - smitty1e 1y ago
      The argument that marriage--actual, traditional, heterosexual bindings that produce fresh generations--is useless stands contradicted by the dwindling of a future generations. Sure, you can point to other factors, e.g. China's One Child policy; war: but the idea that Really Smart People are going to just wave some policy at the problem is laughable. What works is boys growing into men, girls into women, and families precipitating from actual marriages between them. Pro tip: parenthood is JOY! The idea that technology has obviated Biology whistles past its own graveyard, voting down anyone daring to point out anyone daring to point out something as obvious as the sunrise. (And, hey, if Destiny has had other plans than supporting your direct parenthood, the adoption is an eminently honorable alternative.)
      - const_cast 1y ago
        The problem is you’re proposing a social solution and those largely just don’t work. We achieved the conservative wet dream of the nuclear family in the past via oppressive policy. We forced women into subservient positions where they can’t gain financial freedom, and we persecuted sexual minorities like homosexuals. Returning to that is bad. We all decided that that sucks. Not just women, men too. Gender roles suck ass. I don’t want to be a provider, and women largely don’t want to be domestic slaves. We gave people more freedom, and turns out that means a lot of people don’t want the white picket fence life. I mean, what’s the actionable policy here? Restrict women from having bank accounts? Criminalize homosexuality? Kill transgender people? Would that… fix anything? I don’t think so. Even just the foundation is rocky. Were things better in the past? I don’t think so, no. Maybe if you were a successful white man, but even then, you’re probably better off in the modern, progressive world. For everyone else though, you know, the majority, it was a trap. I don’t want to work in the mines and come home to a depressed wife who made a sad looking depression casserole. That’s not the life I want and, evidently, not the life a lot of people want. So, here we are.
        smitty1e 1y ago
        Mom; dad; kids: please explain the failing component? This is not a top-down policy prescription. It is plain, simple, bottom-up wisdom. Nothing I'm saying here has to do with external law. Rather, internal common sense. To your point, and as Strother Martin succinctly put it in Cool Hand Luke: "There's some men you just can't reach." The actionable policy is to pursue the basic truth of "form follows function".
        const_cast 1y ago
        What you’re advocating for, then, is total freedom for one to choose one’s life path. Which is what we have right now. So, great, we’re all on the same page.
        smitty1e 1y ago
        Absolutely. I would add that we put on our Big People Pants and point out that not all paths are fruitful, and encourage people to consider those that are. The karma expense is significant, but worthwhile.

chneu 1y ago

Lmao the sacrament of marriage. Wtf are you talking about? It's a man-made contractual obligation used to strengthen financial and political strength. Marriage is entirely unnecessary in today's world.

smitty1e 1y ago
The demographics tell the tale.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Perhaps you, too, can tell the tale, instead of waving around some moralistic mumbo jumbo like you're burning sage.
  - smitty1e 1y ago
    The argument that marriage--actual, traditional, heterosexual bindings that produce fresh generations--is useless stands contradicted by the dwindling of a future generations. Sure, you can point to other factors, e.g. China's One Child policy; war: but the idea that Really Smart People are going to just wave some policy at the problem is laughable. What works is boys growing into men, girls into women, and families precipitating from actual marriages between them. Pro tip: parenthood is JOY! The idea that technology has obviated Biology whistles past its own graveyard, voting down anyone daring to point out anyone daring to point out something as obvious as the sunrise. (And, hey, if Destiny has had other plans than supporting your direct parenthood, the adoption is an eminently honorable alternative.)
    - const_cast 1y ago
      The problem is you’re proposing a social solution and those largely just don’t work. We achieved the conservative wet dream of the nuclear family in the past via oppressive policy. We forced women into subservient positions where they can’t gain financial freedom, and we persecuted sexual minorities like homosexuals. Returning to that is bad. We all decided that that sucks. Not just women, men too. Gender roles suck ass. I don’t want to be a provider, and women largely don’t want to be domestic slaves. We gave people more freedom, and turns out that means a lot of people don’t want the white picket fence life. I mean, what’s the actionable policy here? Restrict women from having bank accounts? Criminalize homosexuality? Kill transgender people? Would that… fix anything? I don’t think so. Even just the foundation is rocky. Were things better in the past? I don’t think so, no. Maybe if you were a successful white man, but even then, you’re probably better off in the modern, progressive world. For everyone else though, you know, the majority, it was a trap. I don’t want to work in the mines and come home to a depressed wife who made a sad looking depression casserole. That’s not the life I want and, evidently, not the life a lot of people want. So, here we are.
      - smitty1e 1y ago
        Mom; dad; kids: please explain the failing component? This is not a top-down policy prescription. It is plain, simple, bottom-up wisdom. Nothing I'm saying here has to do with external law. Rather, internal common sense. To your point, and as Strother Martin succinctly put it in Cool Hand Luke: "There's some men you just can't reach." The actionable policy is to pursue the basic truth of "form follows function".
        const_cast 1y ago
        What you’re advocating for, then, is total freedom for one to choose one’s life path. Which is what we have right now. So, great, we’re all on the same page.
        smitty1e 1y ago
        Absolutely. I would add that we put on our Big People Pants and point out that not all paths are fruitful, and encourage people to consider those that are. The karma expense is significant, but worthwhile.