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Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt

Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. Note that Trump's DoD did not seem to be in a hurry to deploy the National Guard on 6th January, despite multiple requests to do so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_response_to_th...

Gareth321 1y ago
> Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. Hundreds of years of precedent has made it clear that states are subordinate to the Federal government.
- scott_w 1y ago
  > My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. The California government are not blocking the Federal government from carrying out ICE raids. If you believe otherwise, please show the evidence that Trump has presented.
  - Gareth321 1y ago
    California has decided not to prevent the rioters from impeding federal enforcement officers. This forces the Federal government to use Federal resources.
    - scott_w 1y ago
      Evidence please.
HamsterDan 1y ago
What the governor of California believes does not matter when federal agents are being attacked. The President has a responsibility to protect his agents. If California is not doing that sufficiently, the President is more than justified in sending reinforcements.
- scott_w 1y ago
  The government of California is not preventing ICE agents from working, so under what authority, with evidence, does the President justify using the National Guard?
- JCattheATM 1y ago
  Maybe those agents should identify themselves as such instead of hiding like cowards, making them impossible to determine from crazed vigilantes?
ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
The Gov of CA is not a neutral actor.
- const_cast 1y ago
  Sure, whatever, but he's also the leader of CA. Something something state's rights? I don't know, doesn't that matter or only when it's you guys?
- scott_w 1y ago
  Where’s your evidence that he’s blocking ICE agents from doing their jobs?

Gareth321 1y ago

> Bad as these things are, the Governor of California currently believes their own law enforcement can handle the situation without the National Guard. If he felt he needed support, he'd have requested it using the provided legal mechanisms. My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. Hundreds of years of precedent has made it clear that states are subordinate to the Federal government.

scott_w 1y ago
> My understanding is that the National Guard are being deployed because ICE is being impeded from carrying out their operations. If California were allowed to constructively block the Federal government from carrying out policy of democratically elected administrations, that would be effectively a declaration of secession. The California government are not blocking the Federal government from carrying out ICE raids. If you believe otherwise, please show the evidence that Trump has presented.
- Gareth321 1y ago
  California has decided not to prevent the rioters from impeding federal enforcement officers. This forces the Federal government to use Federal resources.
  - scott_w 1y ago
    Evidence please.

HamsterDan 1y ago

What the governor of California believes does not matter when federal agents are being attacked. The President has a responsibility to protect his agents. If California is not doing that sufficiently, the President is more than justified in sending reinforcements.

scott_w 1y ago
The government of California is not preventing ICE agents from working, so under what authority, with evidence, does the President justify using the National Guard?
JCattheATM 1y ago
Maybe those agents should identify themselves as such instead of hiding like cowards, making them impossible to determine from crazed vigilantes?

ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

The Gov of CA is not a neutral actor.

const_cast 1y ago
Sure, whatever, but he's also the leader of CA. Something something state's rights? I don't know, doesn't that matter or only when it's you guys?
scott_w 1y ago
Where’s your evidence that he’s blocking ICE agents from doing their jobs?