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If waving a foreign flag is an invasion, boy America is going to have a lot of invasions when it co-hosts the football world cup next year

by spaceman_2020 1y ago

TiredOfLife 1y ago
If they are in country illegally and are throwing rocks and attacking people then yes
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > If they are in country illegally and are throwing rocks and attacking people then yes For sake of argument, let's grant this. "A first-time illegal entry is a federal misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of up to $250 and a maximum jail sentence of six months" [1]. Assaulting a federal police officer carries a maximum jail sentence of 5 [2] to ten years [3]. The first category, petty misdemeanors, includes things like DUIs, cyberbullying and vandalism [4]. It also, conveniently, doesn't require a jury trial [5]. Based on your standard, if a tourist is caught driving under the influence, or is suspected of cyberbullying or vandalism, it triggers the threshold upon which, if any violence of any kind is suspected in their vicinity, troops can be deployed against American citizens. (And then they get no jury trial.) Because I will love to see that precedent explored the next time the far right whips up an election-denial conspiracy. [1] https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-1325-illegal-entry-and-its-legal-consequences/ https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-1325-illegal-entry-and-its... [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 [3] https://medvinlaw.com/federal-assault-on-law-enforcement-penalties-for-18-usc-111-charges/ https://medvinlaw.com/federal-assault-on-law-enforcement-pen... [4] https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/classes-of-misdemeanors.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/classes-of-mi... [5] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/petty-offense-doctrine-and-maximum-sentences-over-six-months#:~:text=No%20offense,is%20authorized. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/p...
  - drentost 1y ago
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    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > What makes someone like you so eager to defend the "invaders"? I'm not particularly incensed about illegal immigration either way. I think ICE could be more humane. But they're ultimately executing the nation's laws. What Trump is doing with California's National Guard and the Marines is orthogonal to what he's using to justify it. (The Marines aren't arresting illegal immigrants. They've been deployed against protesters. Mostly Americans.) To the extent I believe there is a risk from illegal immigrants, it's principally in the risk from cartel violence leaking into America. These sort of theatrics undermine that law-enforcement prerogative by focussing on quantity [1] over quality. > My instinct is to annihilate them in defence of myself, my family, my people, and our territory I'm much more concerned about someone with those instincts than I am about nonviolent people. (As would have been our founders.) [1] https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/immigration-ice-deportations-stephen-miller https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/immigration-ice-deportation...
    - reverius42 1y ago
      There are no invaders attacking myself. There are no invaders attacking my family. My people is all of humanity and I don't believe any race or nationality should be favored over or considered better than another. There are no (space) alien invaders attacking my people. My territory is this Spaceship Earth, a speck of dust in a giant uncaring universe, and I share it with all known life in the universe. There is no other life known, and therefore no invaders. I do have children. I do love my family. I did have a stable, happy childhood. My ethnicity is extremely irrelevant and I'm offended you'd ask.
      - drentost 1y ago
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- spaceman_2020 1y ago
  I don't know if you've ever been to a football world cup, but throwing rocks and attacking people usually ends up being the norm and God forbid if the English team crashes out early...or worse, ends up winning.

If waving a foreign flag is an invasion, boy America is going to have a lot of invasions when it co-hosts the football world cup next year

TiredOfLife 1y ago

If they are in country illegally and are throwing rocks and attacking people then yes

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> If they are in country illegally and are throwing rocks and attacking people then yes For sake of argument, let's grant this. "A first-time illegal entry is a federal misdemeanor, punishable by a fine of up to $250 and a maximum jail sentence of six months" [1]. Assaulting a federal police officer carries a maximum jail sentence of 5 [2] to ten years [3]. The first category, petty misdemeanors, includes things like DUIs, cyberbullying and vandalism [4]. It also, conveniently, doesn't require a jury trial [5]. Based on your standard, if a tourist is caught driving under the influence, or is suspected of cyberbullying or vandalism, it triggers the threshold upon which, if any violence of any kind is suspected in their vicinity, troops can be deployed against American citizens. (And then they get no jury trial.) Because I will love to see that precedent explored the next time the far right whips up an election-denial conspiracy. [1] https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-1325-illegal-entry-and-its-legal-consequences/ https://legalclarity.org/18-u-s-c-1325-illegal-entry-and-its... [2] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/111 [3] https://medvinlaw.com/federal-assault-on-law-enforcement-penalties-for-18-usc-111-charges/ https://medvinlaw.com/federal-assault-on-law-enforcement-pen... [4] https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/classes-of-misdemeanors.html https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/classes-of-mi... [5] https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/petty-offense-doctrine-and-maximum-sentences-over-six-months#:~:text=No%20offense,is%20authorized. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-6/p...
- drentost 1y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > What makes someone like you so eager to defend the "invaders"? I'm not particularly incensed about illegal immigration either way. I think ICE could be more humane. But they're ultimately executing the nation's laws. What Trump is doing with California's National Guard and the Marines is orthogonal to what he's using to justify it. (The Marines aren't arresting illegal immigrants. They've been deployed against protesters. Mostly Americans.) To the extent I believe there is a risk from illegal immigrants, it's principally in the risk from cartel violence leaking into America. These sort of theatrics undermine that law-enforcement prerogative by focussing on quantity [1] over quality. > My instinct is to annihilate them in defence of myself, my family, my people, and our territory I'm much more concerned about someone with those instincts than I am about nonviolent people. (As would have been our founders.) [1] https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/immigration-ice-deportations-stephen-miller https://www.axios.com/2025/05/28/immigration-ice-deportation...
  - reverius42 1y ago
    There are no invaders attacking myself. There are no invaders attacking my family. My people is all of humanity and I don't believe any race or nationality should be favored over or considered better than another. There are no (space) alien invaders attacking my people. My territory is this Spaceship Earth, a speck of dust in a giant uncaring universe, and I share it with all known life in the universe. There is no other life known, and therefore no invaders. I do have children. I do love my family. I did have a stable, happy childhood. My ethnicity is extremely irrelevant and I'm offended you'd ask.
    - drentost 1y ago
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spaceman_2020 1y ago
I don't know if you've ever been to a football world cup, but throwing rocks and attacking people usually ends up being the norm and God forbid if the English team crashes out early...or worse, ends up winning.