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I’m not sure that’s true any more. I know a few vets and it was definitely thought-provoking to hear a Marine who’d been in the thick of Fallujah react to some

by acdha 1y ago

I’m not sure that’s true any more. I know a few vets and it was definitely thought-provoking to hear a Marine who’d been in the thick of Fallujah react to some police shooting by noting that they had stricter rules about use of force because the top brass wanted to get the Iraqi people on their side.

zzgo 1y ago
I suspect that the current administration isn't concerned about winning the hearts and minds of Angelenos.
- acdha 1y ago
  Very true, but I don’t think there’s been enough time to completely reverse years of training.
- vrosas 1y ago
  You suspect what is very obvious.
- leptons 1y ago
  Every city in the US has illegal aliens, but how many ICE raids are making the news in places like St. Louis, or New Orleans, or Houston - no, they aren't sending ICE to red states like they are to California, they are focusing on Los Angeles for the purpose of fomenting unrest so they can enact martial law. That wouldn't be so cool for their supporters if red states had riots, but their supporters love seeing liberal California with a boot on its neck.
  - Ccecil 1y ago
    Not that I totally disagree with your statement but one part.... I live in a very red state (North Idaho). They don't need to send ICE here. The sheriffs are all cooperating and lending county facilities to hold immigrants. It is safe to say the entire sheriffs department is basically a branch of ICE at this point. They have been targeting I-90 and US-95 heavily and running plates on every car along with a helicopter that basically just goes back and forth all day. There is very little immigrant presence here (illegal or otherwise) but they have been catching work crews at random (usually under the premise of suspicious vehicle/behavior). Spokane has been having CBP and ICE raids as well. Quite a few make the local news. Just doesn't get the attention like the larger cities do. Quite a bit of roundups going on out by Yakima and Tri-Cities, WA too. Which is part of why they are using county jails to hold people.
  - selimthegrim 1y ago
    I live in New Orleans and I assure you ICE raids have been making news here and in the suburbs and Baton Rouge.
simoncion 1y ago
> I’m not sure that’s true any more. If it was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time. There used to be (and probably still is) a saying in the US military that goes something like "Folks who can't hack it in the military wash out and become cops.". The military is not at all configured to be an effective long-term occupying force, but its personnel are trained to be soldiers [0] and peacekeepers. (While I'm absolutely certain that one can find examples of psychos that should have been detected and discharged earlier, that's true of any sufficiently-large organization. Finding every malicious person is a task that's next to impossible.) Anyway, in a high-pressure, chaotic situation, I'd rather come up on a random member of the US military [1] than a random cop any day of the week. [0] Yes, this does mean that they damage, destroy, injure, and kill when required. [1] Whether active duty, reservist, or honorably discharged.

by acdha 1y ago

zzgo 1y ago

I suspect that the current administration isn't concerned about winning the hearts and minds of Angelenos.

acdha 1y ago
Very true, but I don’t think there’s been enough time to completely reverse years of training.
vrosas 1y ago
You suspect what is very obvious.
leptons 1y ago
Every city in the US has illegal aliens, but how many ICE raids are making the news in places like St. Louis, or New Orleans, or Houston - no, they aren't sending ICE to red states like they are to California, they are focusing on Los Angeles for the purpose of fomenting unrest so they can enact martial law. That wouldn't be so cool for their supporters if red states had riots, but their supporters love seeing liberal California with a boot on its neck.
- Ccecil 1y ago
  Not that I totally disagree with your statement but one part.... I live in a very red state (North Idaho). They don't need to send ICE here. The sheriffs are all cooperating and lending county facilities to hold immigrants. It is safe to say the entire sheriffs department is basically a branch of ICE at this point. They have been targeting I-90 and US-95 heavily and running plates on every car along with a helicopter that basically just goes back and forth all day. There is very little immigrant presence here (illegal or otherwise) but they have been catching work crews at random (usually under the premise of suspicious vehicle/behavior). Spokane has been having CBP and ICE raids as well. Quite a few make the local news. Just doesn't get the attention like the larger cities do. Quite a bit of roundups going on out by Yakima and Tri-Cities, WA too. Which is part of why they are using county jails to hold people.
- selimthegrim 1y ago
  I live in New Orleans and I assure you ICE raids have been making news here and in the suburbs and Baton Rouge.

simoncion 1y ago

> I’m not sure that’s true any more. If it was ever true, it hasn't been true for a long time. There used to be (and probably still is) a saying in the US military that goes something like "Folks who can't hack it in the military wash out and become cops.". The military is not at all configured to be an effective long-term occupying force, but its personnel are trained to be soldiers [0] and peacekeepers. (While I'm absolutely certain that one can find examples of psychos that should have been detected and discharged earlier, that's true of any sufficiently-large organization. Finding every malicious person is a task that's next to impossible.) Anyway, in a high-pressure, chaotic situation, I'd rather come up on a random member of the US military [1] than a random cop any day of the week. [0] Yes, this does mean that they damage, destroy, injure, and kill when required. [1] Whether active duty, reservist, or honorably discharged.