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Trump was elected by Americans, not the VC community.

by flanked-evergl 1y ago

pier25 1y ago
The proportion of people who donated significant money is probably higher in vcs than the general population.
- flanked-evergl 1y ago
  Probably? Like do you have the actual probability?
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ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago
Wow this is unpopular, but you're right!
- ethbr1 1y ago
  I think what gets people's goat is the VC community crowing about being farsighted futurists... and then acting just as human and shortsighted as everyone else. Hence the schadenfreude. It's one thing to be wrong with everyone. It's another to be wrong after a ton of people said "This is a dumb idea."
consumer451 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  I don’t see what this has to do with Trump receiving the most votes. The public had ample access to evidence that Trump is a traitor, among other things.
  - consumer451 1y ago
    The sad truth is that we are all easily programmed meat machines, myself included. The Citizens United decision allowed capital to have a much larger influence on the programming of our political media. Obama, many faults and all, has a great quote on this topic: ~"If I watched Fox News, I wouldn't vote for me either!"
    - lotsofpulp 1y ago
      I don’t subscribe to that. People are inherently racist/sexist/classist. They were okay with the idea of equality of opportunity, but once their relative social ranking started to drop, they reverted to their base instinct of pulling others down to make up for their own failings. That is why Trump was right about him shooting someone on 5th Avenue and getting away with it. He was smart enough to tap into this undercurrent that I was unaware of, perhaps due to my youth.
      - consumer451 1y ago
        > People are inherently racist/sexist/classist. Yes, we grow into that as we turn into toddlers, then hopefully we grow out of it. One of our simple core algo's is categorization, but it's just a base algo which came out of base survival techniques from the days of yore. > They were okay with the idea of equality of opportunity, but once their relative social ranking started to drop, they reverted to their base instinct of pulling others down to make up for their own failings. This is true to some extent, and very sad. However, it does not apply to everyone in my experience. It only applies to those who see the world as a zero-sum game. If I understand the last few hundred years correctly, thanks to technology, we do not live in a zero-sum world, so it's an obsolete concept. Once you learn that, it overrides those old base algo's, if you are in a social circle that allows this. However, those base categorizations do appeal to our base instincts, so it's an effective political campaigning technique for those politicians who have no shame. I ain't young no more, and the biggest change in US politics that I have seen is that being shameless has become normalized, again. There are many examples of when super racist/sexist/political people get to talk with those who they once hated, they drop all those previous trainings, and just see them as fellow humans, and even friends. This is why those who use the obsolete categorization ideology as their entire identity don't want you to go to university, or travel, where you might learn all that.
- giardini 1y ago
  Yep, this (the way we in the USA finance elections/politicians) is the crux of our political problems.
  - consumer451 1y ago
    Do you see any chance of this being reversed in our lifetimes? If not, the end state looks not great. How have you dealt with this reality for your own personal/family planning? Asking for me.
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bigfatkitten 1y ago
There are many people across the Anglosphere (not just the U.S.) who vote however Rupert Murdoch tells them to vote.
- kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
  There was also that illegal lottery dude.

Trump was elected by Americans, not the VC community.

pier25 1y ago

The proportion of people who donated significant money is probably higher in vcs than the general population.

flanked-evergl 1y ago
Probably? Like do you have the actual probability?

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ahmeneeroe-v2 1y ago

Wow this is unpopular, but you're right!

ethbr1 1y ago
I think what gets people's goat is the VC community crowing about being farsighted futurists... and then acting just as human and shortsighted as everyone else. Hence the schadenfreude. It's one thing to be wrong with everyone. It's another to be wrong after a ton of people said "This is a dumb idea."

consumer451 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

lotsofpulp 1y ago
I don’t see what this has to do with Trump receiving the most votes. The public had ample access to evidence that Trump is a traitor, among other things.
- consumer451 1y ago
  The sad truth is that we are all easily programmed meat machines, myself included. The Citizens United decision allowed capital to have a much larger influence on the programming of our political media. Obama, many faults and all, has a great quote on this topic: ~"If I watched Fox News, I wouldn't vote for me either!"
  - lotsofpulp 1y ago
    I don’t subscribe to that. People are inherently racist/sexist/classist. They were okay with the idea of equality of opportunity, but once their relative social ranking started to drop, they reverted to their base instinct of pulling others down to make up for their own failings. That is why Trump was right about him shooting someone on 5th Avenue and getting away with it. He was smart enough to tap into this undercurrent that I was unaware of, perhaps due to my youth.
    - consumer451 1y ago
      > People are inherently racist/sexist/classist. Yes, we grow into that as we turn into toddlers, then hopefully we grow out of it. One of our simple core algo's is categorization, but it's just a base algo which came out of base survival techniques from the days of yore. > They were okay with the idea of equality of opportunity, but once their relative social ranking started to drop, they reverted to their base instinct of pulling others down to make up for their own failings. This is true to some extent, and very sad. However, it does not apply to everyone in my experience. It only applies to those who see the world as a zero-sum game. If I understand the last few hundred years correctly, thanks to technology, we do not live in a zero-sum world, so it's an obsolete concept. Once you learn that, it overrides those old base algo's, if you are in a social circle that allows this. However, those base categorizations do appeal to our base instincts, so it's an effective political campaigning technique for those politicians who have no shame. I ain't young no more, and the biggest change in US politics that I have seen is that being shameless has become normalized, again. There are many examples of when super racist/sexist/political people get to talk with those who they once hated, they drop all those previous trainings, and just see them as fellow humans, and even friends. This is why those who use the obsolete categorization ideology as their entire identity don't want you to go to university, or travel, where you might learn all that.
giardini 1y ago
Yep, this (the way we in the USA finance elections/politicians) is the crux of our political problems.
- consumer451 1y ago
  Do you see any chance of this being reversed in our lifetimes? If not, the end state looks not great. How have you dealt with this reality for your own personal/family planning? Asking for me.

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bigfatkitten 1y ago

There are many people across the Anglosphere (not just the U.S.) who vote however Rupert Murdoch tells them to vote.

kevin_thibedeau 1y ago
There was also that illegal lottery dude.