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Apple details the end of Intel Mac support and a phaseout for Rosetta 2
- jshier 1y agoThey won't do it, as they hate anything more than a minimal testing matrix, but it would be nice if, when the Intel versions of the system frameworks are fully removed, Rosetta 2 could be updated to include them as a downloadable component, so we could keep easy Intel support for those that really need it. It sounds like they're going to do something similar for games, where you can download a version of Rosetta 2 specifically created for them, but it would be nice to make them available for any app.
- kemotep 1y agoI mean officially Apple no longer supports 32-bit applications, so it’s not a stretch to say they will completely drop x86 support. How many PowerPC MacOS apps work still?
- don-bright 1y agoRIP TenFourFox. https://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-end-of-tenfourfox-and-what-ive.html https://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-end-of-tenfourfo... orrr... maybe not! https://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2025/02/february-patch-set-for-tenfourfox.html https://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2025/02/february-patch-set-f...
- k_roy 1y agoThey won't do it? Something something seventh incarnation. This is hardly the first time they've changed architectures. I'm actually a little impressed they actually held on this long. Intel emulation effectively sucks compared to native apps in every way. This is where we are.
- makeitdouble 1y agoDocker still relies on Rosetta 2 on some parts, I wonder how it will go on that front https://docs.docker.com/desktop/setup/install/mac-install/ https://docs.docker.com/desktop/setup/install/mac-install/ While the documentation doesn't really dig on the issue, I remember it was needed for x86 emulation (if you're trying an older image of MySQL for instance), so I guess other platform emulation will be significantly harder from now on for Apple Silicon ?
- placatedmayhem 1y agoI've nearly given up on using containers on macOS for development at work, because I frequently need to test amd64-only containers. One deviation from our production (Linux on x86_64) is bad enough, but two surfaces issues, or even annoyances, frequently enough that I'm likely to take a plain Linux box for my next refresh. Removal of the parts that Docker Desktop or colima use to provide x86_64 hosting might just seal that for me. (Remote dev is another option, but I haven't found that particularly ergonomic yet.)
- magic_hamster 1y agoRosetta 2 is pretty important for running amd64 containers on Mac. Removing it will be a big disadvantage. Why take something that works well and throw it away with no alternative?
- JohnTHaller 1y agoMoney
- shepherdjerred 1y agoWho exactly is profiting, and how?
- nimih 1y agoPresumably, you take the employees who were supporting Rosetta 2 and Intel macs, and you either move them to some other team or fire them, and now you've reduced your payroll expenses somewhat, which leads to a relative profit.
- 112233 1y agoI have not noticed apple caring much about pro users ever before. Aperture? Final Cut? I mean, if they could simply kick out all studios that used final cut by making it incompatible, why care now?
- dwaite 1y agoWhy is Rosetta 2 used for running native containers on Apple Silicon? My understanding was that it was used for running x86_64 containers within a arm64 linux VM, because it could provide hardware accelerated emulation for the linux binaries.
- hibbelig 1y agoYour parent explicitly said amd64 which is the same thing as x86_64. Perhaps you misread amd64 and thought it was saying arm64?
- seam_carver 1y agoRemoving in macOS 28
- TMWNN 1y agoI have one Intel app that I am absolutely dependent on
- Gigachad 1y agomacOS has never been a good platform for running unmaintained software.
- burnt-resistor 1y agoForced obsolesce and incompatibility in the name of cute design and "progress". What is needed is an app/infrastructure that doesn't just convert app temporarily but translates them permanently.