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I installed it. I really wanted to love it but it’s bad. It’s very busy and the proportions in the Settings app are awful. It’s on the “cozy” side of things (as
by stalco 1y ago
I installed it.
I really wanted to love it but it’s bad.
It’s very busy and the proportions in the Settings app are awful. It’s
on the “cozy” side of things (as opposed to “compact”). This means you see less options at one time on the screen and have to scroll more around the OS to get where you need to.
As for accessibility… It’s hell. Have a look: https://imgur.com/a/6ZTCStC https://imgur.com/a/6ZTCStC
- replwoacause 1y agoMy eyes don’t know where to focus. Everything runs together.
- GenerocUsername 1y agoHoly cow that's bad. 2 slightly different grids overlaid with transparency feels like a joke but here t is
- Axsuul 1y agoThat could be fixed I feel by decreasing the background opacity.
- FinnKuhn 1y agoThis kinda looks like a fake "iOS" skin for Android from 2018... nasty
- Vegenoid 1y agoWow. That is really bad. Apple already does the transparency thing with the control center menu, but it blurs the background so much that you don’t notice it. Why they’d want to lessen the blur and make it more transparent is beyond me.
- hbn 1y agoRemember this is the first developer beta. I’m pretty sure a lot of iOS 7 was dialed back between announcement and release
- Micrococonut 1y agoThe fact that it ever made it to this stage is troubling. It was quite literally the very first thing I thought when I saw their landing page for ios 17. https://www.apple.com/os/ios/ https://www.apple.com/os/ios/ Look at the notifications front and center in the very middle of the screen. It's unbelievable. How are these the decisions being made at one of the biggest tech companies on the planet.
- ljsprague 1y agoMaybe they overshot on purpose? When I change my gaming control sensitivities I will do this (overshoot and then dial back) because I think it helps me get used to them faster.
- makeitdouble 1y agoThis means devs and users need to be vocal and outraged at every new design (as it will be overdone on purpose), and Apple gauges how much they dial it back based on the heat of it.... That doesn't sound like a healthy relationship to developers to me.
- seemaze 1y agooomph, looks like this might finally be (my) year of the linux desktop..
- kazinator 1y agoNice; mine was in 1995!
- odo1242 1y agoyear of the linux mobile?
- hokumguru 1y agoI switched two months ago and it’s surprisingly usable. Come a long way in the last 10 years.
- rubslopes 1y agoNot yet for me, still waiting for a 8-hour battery...
- veqq 1y agoI get 30 hours on a 2017 Dell, using Linux mint. auto-cpufreq or even just making an alias to disable some cores let you push it very far
- tsimionescu 1y agoNothing screams "Linux desktop" quite like a custom terminal command to manually manage your CPU cores being presented as a solution for longer battery life.
- dotancohen 1y agoAs a two and a half decade user of Linux desktops, this comment is spot on. That said, at work I'm using a Windows desktop for the first time in over 15 years. There are so many places I'd like to run scripts to improve this thing. i have come to the conclusion that running scripts to fix small annoyances is a feature of those who are drawn to Linux, not a shortcoming of KDE or Gnome. I'd do the same if it were even possible on this (locked down corporate) Windows box.
- PKop 1y agoLooks like a soup sandwich. Layers of mixed together colors with no distinction
- TriangleEdge 1y agoI hope they tweak the opacity before they go live with this because I find the shared image quite unpleasant. I have no issues with the current design. Kind of like the camera button and the touch bar, I hope this goes away fast.
- ethbr1 1y agoThe entire press release made my brain hurt. >> Meticulously crafted by rethinking the fundamental elements that make up our software, the new design features an entirely new material called Liquid Glass. It combines the optical qualities of glass with a fluidity only Apple can achieve, as it transforms depending on your content or context. What the fuck does that even mean? Feature litmus test: if you can't describe why it's better in plain English... it's probably not better.
- curiousgal 1y agoI know I am going to sound like an asshole but I scrolled, started watching the video and the guy speaking made me cringe so badly I closed the tab. This is reads and looks like satire. And here I thought OneUI 8 was bad.
- McAlpine5892 1y ago> What the fuck does that even mean? Nothing. It's corporate bean-counter speak. Some poo-brained exec says a lot of words that sound inspiring but adds up to mean exactly nothing. This is the kind of garbage I have to listen to in so-very-important quarterly "huddles" with thousands of people. It's nonsensical but makes the speaker feel so very special. I guess this really gives insight to how Apple got here. It really has been taken over by a bunch of people who like how their own farts smell. Now they're trying to gaslight you and I into liking it.
- cyberax 1y agoPuh. That's pure amateur hour. They need to _at_ _least_ add something like: "synergy with ideographic interface, achieving unrivalled experience while preserving the individualized touch".
- pyinstallwoes 1y agoThe only thing worse than shitty design is when the shitty design changes each time you use it.
- crazygringo 1y agoOMG that image is hilarious. It's a total disaster. And it's not like someone had to go out of their way to find something clashing like that. Pulling up control center from the home screen is something you do all the time. Like, I genuinely would have assumed that control center would need to be non-translucent precisely because of that. But... nope?
- outcoldman 1y agoplease please please, everyone, submit feedback at https://www.apple.com/feedback/ https://www.apple.com/feedback/ I was ok with the system settings redesign, could get used to it. But this whole new design is a different level of bad.
- Due_Winter_5330 1y agoHow does it look if you enable "Reduce Transparency" in Accessibility - Display settings?
- wpm 1y agoIt looks awful, and doesn't actually remove all of the transparency effects, though that might be due to the fact that its Beta 1.
- thenaturalist 1y agoI cannot confirm that. Reducing transparency, the entire background gets greyed and the background/ look is much more akin to iOS 18.
- wpm 1y agoExcept in Safari, you can still see the text on the page behind the URL bar as you scroll.
- jonplackett 1y agoHoly shit. That has to be a joke. It looks like some bad UI mockup from Jon Prosser
- chupchap 1y agoIt's Apple Maps bad!
- azinman2 1y agoApple Maps is actually great now.
- qwerpy 1y agoGoing from Apple Maps to Google Maps is now like going from ublock origin to a stock browser. Crap everywhere that you didn't ask for, slowing you down as you try to locate what you're actually trying to find. Meanwhile the maps/data quality is quite good, probably 95% there for the things I care about. I've been able to use it full-time for years now.
- cageface 1y agoThis might be true in the US but it's close to worthless in a lot of the rest of the world.
- Schiendelman 1y agoIt's true in most rich countries at this point. Apple's been steadily launching more of their capabilities in new countries. I just used Apple Maps across eight countries in Europe. I did send a few problem reports, but they're better than Google now everywhere I went. At this point if I lived somewhere they weren't great, I'd submit improvements for all the places I went
- adastra22 1y agoIn asia it is still unusable. I have to re-download Google Maps (I abhor using Google products) every time I travel to that part of the world.
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- hn_throwaway_99 1y agoWow, that was full in "thanks, I hate it" territory for me. I think that design triggered me for 2 reasons. First, it really gets to something that's bugged me a lot about technological advancement in general over the past 15-20 years or so. It used to be that I felt like tech advances were great because they actually solved a human problem. Now, so much tech just feels like "tech-for-tech's-sake". Like I get you need to have a lot of designers at Apple, and now that devices have more processing power that they want to do something "cool" with it, but this just seems like someone that literally nobody asked for and nobody wants. Second, I'm someone who thinks very "linearly". I like to do one thing at a time, and I hate distractions (because I'm easily distracted). I hate these translucent interfaces because they are literally distracting to me even if I'm looking directly and squarely at one single thing. It just seems like another way that tech is constantly fucking with our attention.
- the_other 1y agoI thought the same, about distractions, whilst watching the videos. Even the highlights and speckles at the edges of the icons grab your attention. It's the visual equivalent of running your finger over velcro: slip, catch, slip, catch the whole way down.
- chrismorgan 1y agoYeah, the address bar in the browser in the video at 2:10–2:13 is appalling. And how they describe it!— > it responds in real time to your content, and your input, creating a more lively experience, that we think you’ll find truly delightful. “Infuriating” and “horrifying” would both be much more accurate words than “delightful”. Even if you liked it briefly, it would get old really quickly. This truly is stunningly, spectacularly bad.
- weird-eye-issue 1y agoThis looks like a screenshot from one of the jailbreak themes from like 15 years ago, and not one of the good ones
- bigyabai 1y agoAs a former Cydia user, my 12-year-old self takes that as validation that I was living in the future after all!
- arvinsim 1y agoGlasklart?
- jama211 1y agoThe public beta hasn’t even been released yet, this is only a developer beta. Bit early to be assuming it will look like this by release no?
- kumarvvr 1y agoWow ! That is ugly. Wonder if Apple has any Quality Control department at all. I mean, a designer comes up with a proposal, someone else ought to check it.
- solfox 1y agoSad thing about Apple is that this was designed by a huge design team and about a million keynote presentations to execs that sounded exactly like this.
- rifty 1y agoFunny, I'm pretty sure glass on glass is one of their guidelines no-no situations. Nice of them to implement it on their own control centre to prove how bad it is.
- booleandilemma 1y agoNormally I don't have strong opinions on UI design but that just looks wrong.
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- mock-possum 1y agoUgh oh god That evokes an immediate visceral reaction hah
- CamperBob2 1y agoWow. It would almost be OK if they had had the sense to dim the background substantially, but... wow. It had better be possible to turn this crap completely off. Is it?
- thenaturalist 1y agoReduce transparency in the accessibility settings. Fixes it luckily.
- ilt 1y agoOMG, I expected bad but not this bad. How did designers ever think this will fly is beyond mind-blowing. Visual disturbance is off the charts. I am just hoping it to have good accessibility options to turn whatever-this-is off immediately.
- adastra22 1y agoThat screenshot is utterly unreadable. It makes my eyes hurt. For the young people out there, I'm not exaggerating or being metaphorical. Literally pain in my eyes as they try (and fail) to focus on the appropriate UI elements. I was going to upgrade to an iPhone 16 this week. I might be checking out Google or Samsung devices instead.
- CoastalCoder 1y agoThat screenshot had the same effect on me. Baffling choice.
- throwaway290 1y agoI think it's also just ugly to be honest. Completely opposite of Apple's values of focusing on one thing at a time and even basic grid alignment. And I am an Apple fanboy....
- debo_ 1y agoYou might want to look at the new design language that Android is going for: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43975352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43975352
- adastra22 1y agoUgly and a definite regression. But at least my eyes don’t hurt.
- eertami 1y agoSomewhat amusing after this how the top comment mentions "Apple ... never makes marketing content like this about its design language"
- pphysch 1y agoNot just the top comment, that whole top thread is basically glazing Apple. Deliciously ironic.
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- solfox 1y agoThat screenshot! Terrible
- benplumley 1y agoIs the WiFi enabled, or does it just have a blue icon behind it?
- ARandumGuy 1y agoThe accessibility for this design is pretty terrible. There's a reason the gold standard for closed captions is still white text with solid black background. That way, regardless of what's going on in the background, the text is still readable for someone with poor eyesight. Out of curiosity, I used this site [1] to get the contrast of some text, specifically the artist name on the Apple Music now playing bar (in the "Updated App Design" part of the page). During parts of the video, the contrast of the artist name with the background was 1.7:1, which is terrible. For reference, the minimum recommended contrast by WebAIM is 4.5:1 [2]. Maybe there are accessibility options that improve things, but the defaults seem terrible. The goal for any design should be reasonably accessible as default, with robust options for people with more specific needs. As it stands, this UI is just too hard to read, and Apple needs to make a second pass. [1]: https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/ https://webaim.org/resources/contrastchecker/ [2]: https://webaim.org/articles/contrast/ https://webaim.org/articles/contrast/
- parsimo2010 1y agoOh yeah that's bad. I hope there is an option to disable translucency globally. I don't need to see a desktop/home screen under another menu, or even another app under the menu. I can't interact with something underneath the top menu and it really messes with readability from your screenshot.
- pyinstallwoes 1y agoYikes…
- rurp 1y agoGood lord, I started getting a headache just looking at that image for a few seconds. Apple has always preferred form over function but this UI change takes it to a whole other level.
- barrell 1y agoI mean I really don’t like it either, but I have to say, it screenshots 10x worse than it really looks. There’s enough ‘glow’ that things look largely distinct. I would still prefer 5x the blur; I really, really, really hate the shapes of the tab switchers; and they use space so inefficiently I feel like I’m using an iPhone SE… but the liquid glass is ok. Gimmicky and ugly but it is mostly usable
- lofaszvanitt 1y agoStraight from early 2000s. The early photoshop effects everyone applied on their geocities webpages.
- OptionalDonuts 1y agoThat does not look good and I can already see my elderly parents having trouble with just how messy and confusing the colors from the homescreen bleed into the foreground.