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I’d bet there’s a toggle that dramatically increases opacity or eliminates transparency entirely while keeping the shading and gloss. If it exists I’m sure it’l

I’d bet there’s a toggle that dramatically increases opacity or eliminates transparency entirely while keeping the shading and gloss. If it exists I’m sure it’ll be popular.

adastra22 1y ago
I hope it removes the shading and gloss too. Literally nothing in this design update is an improvement to accessibility.
burntalmonds 1y ago
I'm hoping that's true and there's still an option for a flat, minimal look.
- dylan604 1y ago
  so all they had to do to get people to quit bitching about the flat look was to introduce the translucent look! updating ticket to closed
  - pseudalopex 1y ago
    Did burntalmonds bitch about the flat look before? Or was this the fallacy where people assume everyone else is 1 person?
    - dylan604 1y ago
      or more like the fallacy that people can come online and snipe a thread when they miss the joke and think everyone else is serious trying to prove a fallacy. let's get meta
layer8 1y ago
Probably, but they tend to also make for an ugly look, like the “Increase Contrast” setting in iOS. The other way around would be better: Have an accessible down-to-earth default, and a secondary “fancy visuals” mode for those who want that.
- brookst 1y ago
  I have no complaints with the UI settings I use on iOS: reduce motion, reduce transparency, differentiate without color. Given the huge change and sensitivity to accessibility I'm going to guess the opposite -- it will be designed to look nice without transparency.
  - 1over137 1y ago
    "reduce motion" is gone in the new macOS beta.
    - root_dir 1y ago
      no it isn't
- lurking_swe 1y ago
  the autistic user base is vastly smaller than the neurotypical user base. So it makes sense to ship settings that most people would like. It’s simply a matter of “which settings would MOST of our users want enabled by default?” I do agree that the accessibility settings can make ios pretty ugly though. It’s a real shame. :(
  - layer8 1y ago
    I’m don’t think that most users want a fancy new look that also decreases usability and readability. At least that’s not the impression I get with the users I talk to. Maybe most users let themselves be impressed in a marketing sense, but that doesn’t mean they would actively want it by themselves.
  - lozenge 1y ago
    The version most people would like is usually the first or second iteration. Then designers need to change things to keep it looking new and fresh and the changes are inherently going to be worse because that's the only option available.
- Arkhadia 1y ago

I’d bet there’s a toggle that dramatically increases opacity or eliminates transparency entirely while keeping the shading and gloss. If it exists I’m sure it’ll be popular.

adastra22 1y ago

I hope it removes the shading and gloss too. Literally nothing in this design update is an improvement to accessibility.

burntalmonds 1y ago

I'm hoping that's true and there's still an option for a flat, minimal look.

dylan604 1y ago
so all they had to do to get people to quit bitching about the flat look was to introduce the translucent look! updating ticket to closed
- pseudalopex 1y ago
  Did burntalmonds bitch about the flat look before? Or was this the fallacy where people assume everyone else is 1 person?
  - dylan604 1y ago
    or more like the fallacy that people can come online and snipe a thread when they miss the joke and think everyone else is serious trying to prove a fallacy. let's get meta

layer8 1y ago

Probably, but they tend to also make for an ugly look, like the “Increase Contrast” setting in iOS. The other way around would be better: Have an accessible down-to-earth default, and a secondary “fancy visuals” mode for those who want that.

brookst 1y ago
I have no complaints with the UI settings I use on iOS: reduce motion, reduce transparency, differentiate without color. Given the huge change and sensitivity to accessibility I'm going to guess the opposite -- it will be designed to look nice without transparency.
- 1over137 1y ago
  "reduce motion" is gone in the new macOS beta.
  - root_dir 1y ago
    no it isn't
lurking_swe 1y ago
the autistic user base is vastly smaller than the neurotypical user base. So it makes sense to ship settings that most people would like. It’s simply a matter of “which settings would MOST of our users want enabled by default?” I do agree that the accessibility settings can make ios pretty ugly though. It’s a real shame. :(
- layer8 1y ago
  I’m don’t think that most users want a fancy new look that also decreases usability and readability. At least that’s not the impression I get with the users I talk to. Maybe most users let themselves be impressed in a marketing sense, but that doesn’t mean they would actively want it by themselves.
- lozenge 1y ago
  The version most people would like is usually the first or second iteration. Then designers need to change things to keep it looking new and fresh and the changes are inherently going to be worse because that's the only option available.
Arkhadia 1y ago