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I’m talking about today’s experience, not speculating about what might happen at some arbitrary point in the future. The web has this shitty UX. LLMs do not ha

I’m talking about today’s experience, not speculating about what might happen at some arbitrary point in the future. The web has this shitty UX. LLMs do not have this shitty UX. I’m going to judge on what I can see and use.

ceejayoz 1y ago
> I’m talking about today’s experience… In that case, get uBlock. The answer is in the first result, on the first screen, and the answer is even quoted in the short description from the site. (As a bonus, it also blocks the cookie consent popups on the AA site, if you like.) The only thing getting in the way of the real, vetted, straight-from-the-source answer currently is the AI overview. https://imgur.com/a/pRUGgRx https://imgur.com/a/pRUGgRx
- JimDabell 1y ago
  Most people don’t use an ad blocker. Even so, saying that the UX of the web is almost as good as the UX of an LLM after you take steps to work around the UX problems with the web isn’t really an argument.
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    > Most people don’t use an ad blocker. I mean, they should. Anyone on this site most certainly should. The LLM UX is going to rapidly converge with the search UX as soon as these companies run out of investor funds to burn. It's already starting; https://www.axios.com/2024/12/03/openai-ads-chatgpt https://www.axios.com/2024/12/03/openai-ads-chatgpt. What then?
    - JimDabell 1y ago
      > I mean, they should. Yes, they should. They don’t. There’s really no point talking about how the web could have almost as good UX as LLMs if users did things that they do not do. Users are still getting shitty UX from the web. > The LLM UX is going to rapidly converge with the search UX as soon as these companies run out of investor funds to burn. The point of the article is that these companies can be profitable as-is. If chatbots screw up their UX, it’s not because they need it to survive. And again, I’m judging based on what is actually the case today, not a speculative future. I’m pointing out that LLMs have much better UX than the web. Repeatedly saying “but what if they didn’t?” to me is uninteresting.
      - ceejayoz 1y ago
        Well, enjoy the 15 minutes.
jacobsenscott 1y ago
When all you get back is a wall of LLM generated text blocking ads will be impossible. This will go the same way as google search results. Probably within six months.

ceejayoz 1y ago

> I’m talking about today’s experience… In that case, get uBlock. The answer is in the first result, on the first screen, and the answer is even quoted in the short description from the site. (As a bonus, it also blocks the cookie consent popups on the AA site, if you like.) The only thing getting in the way of the real, vetted, straight-from-the-source answer currently is the AI overview. https://imgur.com/a/pRUGgRx https://imgur.com/a/pRUGgRx

JimDabell 1y ago
Most people don’t use an ad blocker. Even so, saying that the UX of the web is almost as good as the UX of an LLM after you take steps to work around the UX problems with the web isn’t really an argument.
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > Most people don’t use an ad blocker. I mean, they should. Anyone on this site most certainly should. The LLM UX is going to rapidly converge with the search UX as soon as these companies run out of investor funds to burn. It's already starting; https://www.axios.com/2024/12/03/openai-ads-chatgpt https://www.axios.com/2024/12/03/openai-ads-chatgpt. What then?
  - JimDabell 1y ago
    > I mean, they should. Yes, they should. They don’t. There’s really no point talking about how the web could have almost as good UX as LLMs if users did things that they do not do. Users are still getting shitty UX from the web. > The LLM UX is going to rapidly converge with the search UX as soon as these companies run out of investor funds to burn. The point of the article is that these companies can be profitable as-is. If chatbots screw up their UX, it’s not because they need it to survive. And again, I’m judging based on what is actually the case today, not a speculative future. I’m pointing out that LLMs have much better UX than the web. Repeatedly saying “but what if they didn’t?” to me is uninteresting.
    - ceejayoz 1y ago
      Well, enjoy the 15 minutes.

jacobsenscott 1y ago

When all you get back is a wall of LLM generated text blocking ads will be impossible. This will go the same way as google search results. Probably within six months.