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Modern conservatism grew out of authoritarian monarchist philosophers of the French revolution. It's inherently tied to supporting an unquestionable social hier

Modern conservatism grew out of authoritarian monarchist philosophers of the French revolution. It's inherently tied to supporting an unquestionable social hierarchy with rulers at the top, be they kings, presidents or billionaires. It's not so much as the philosophy is dead, but more that it's finally achieving it's goals. Anti authoritarianism is just a rhetoric device. Just like saying trans people shouldn't be allowed to use the bathroom is a rhetoric device for achieving the goal is forcing trans people out of existence, either by making their lives such hell that they take their own lives, or that they go back to the closet.

anonfordays 1y ago
>Modern conservatism grew out of authoritarian monarchist philosophers Not in the US. Modern conservatism in the US is tied to the individualistic self-reliance movement that rejects the concept of rulers at the top in favor of States' rights and local governance. It is classically liberal with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. You may be confusing it with conservativism in the UK/EU.
- ty6853 1y ago
  You're thinking of classical liberalism, which is something the dominating political factions are highly against. The contemporary meaning of conservatism has been hijacked by the Republican party which does not employ any of those goals.
  - anonfordays 1y ago
    >You're thinking of classical liberalism Yes, that is what I typed in my comment above. >which is something the dominating political factions are highly against. The current Republican party's platform follows classical liberalism: "Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech."[0] You can argue that Trump isn't following that, but it is what the Republican party has incorporated into it's platform for decades. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
    - ty6853 1y ago
      The libertarian party is the only prominent party I can think of that employs anything close to that as a platform.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  I think you are a couple decades behind the times. The current Republican party doesn't share those values any more. The current conservative movement is all in on monarchy, not what you are proposing. Look at Moldbug/Yarvin for their current philosophy.
  - anonfordays 1y ago
    >I think you are a couple decades behind the times. Not at all, stop getting political commentary from reddit comments. Bush, Romney, McCain were all in the past two decades. >The current conservative movement is all in on monarchy, not what you are proposing. Look at Moldbug/Yarvin for their current philosophy. The current Republican party's platform follows classical liberalism: "Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech."[0] You can argue that Trump isn't following that, but it is what the Republican party has incorporated into it's platform for decades. >Moldbug/Yarvin Basically a non-player who is oversold on reddit as having some outsized influence. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
    - gamblor956 1y ago
      That was the pre-Trump GOP. The current version of the GOP is basically a different party with the same name. Notably none of the free market stuff is part of their current platform.
    - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
      You may not know this, but Bush, Romney, and McCain are no longer welcome in the current Republican party.
  - rascul 1y ago
    The Republican party hasn't been conservative for some time.

anonfordays 1y ago

>Modern conservatism grew out of authoritarian monarchist philosophers Not in the US. Modern conservatism in the US is tied to the individualistic self-reliance movement that rejects the concept of rulers at the top in favor of States' rights and local governance. It is classically liberal with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech. You may be confusing it with conservativism in the UK/EU.

ty6853 1y ago
You're thinking of classical liberalism, which is something the dominating political factions are highly against. The contemporary meaning of conservatism has been hijacked by the Republican party which does not employ any of those goals.
- anonfordays 1y ago
  >You're thinking of classical liberalism Yes, that is what I typed in my comment above. >which is something the dominating political factions are highly against. The current Republican party's platform follows classical liberalism: "Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech."[0] You can argue that Trump isn't following that, but it is what the Republican party has incorporated into it's platform for decades. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
  - ty6853 1y ago
    The libertarian party is the only prominent party I can think of that employs anything close to that as a platform.
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
I think you are a couple decades behind the times. The current Republican party doesn't share those values any more. The current conservative movement is all in on monarchy, not what you are proposing. Look at Moldbug/Yarvin for their current philosophy.
- anonfordays 1y ago
  >I think you are a couple decades behind the times. Not at all, stop getting political commentary from reddit comments. Bush, Romney, McCain were all in the past two decades. >The current conservative movement is all in on monarchy, not what you are proposing. Look at Moldbug/Yarvin for their current philosophy. The current Republican party's platform follows classical liberalism: "Classical liberalism is a political tradition and a branch of liberalism that advocates free market and laissez-faire economics and civil liberties under the rule of law, with special emphasis on individual autonomy, limited government, economic freedom, political freedom and freedom of speech."[0] You can argue that Trump isn't following that, but it is what the Republican party has incorporated into it's platform for decades. >Moldbug/Yarvin Basically a non-player who is oversold on reddit as having some outsized influence. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
  - gamblor956 1y ago
    That was the pre-Trump GOP. The current version of the GOP is basically a different party with the same name. Notably none of the free market stuff is part of their current platform.
  - amanaplanacanal 1y ago
    You may not know this, but Bush, Romney, and McCain are no longer welcome in the current Republican party.
- rascul 1y ago
  The Republican party hasn't been conservative for some time.