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Anybody get tear-gassed for not wearing a mask?

alex43578 1y ago
Equating not wearing a mask with assaulting federal agents, damaging federal property, or being part of an unlawful assembly doing the former is quite a stretch. Be realistic about why the groups in LA are getting tear-gassed or pepperball’d.
roenxi 1y ago
Yes. That is part of why the various COVID measures proved quite unpopular. In Australia for example we saw the standard crowd-control treatments [0] being used to break up protests of people who objected to the sudden spike in authoritarianism. There was also the internationally eyebrow-raising financial abuse that the Canadians were doling out that was a new low for anti-protest tactics and political repression. [0] https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/victoria-police-fire-rubber-bullets-as-part-of-new-tactics-to-disperse-crowds-protesting-in-melbourne/news-story/0c7743f78ac17ffc569a75aa1e6c9fcc?nk=f03ea4252b7a9615ba49b3cd1adeb884-1749475700 https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/victor...
- like_any_other 1y ago
  You replied to "it doesn't count as anti-authoritarian if you don't get tear-gassed". I hope you are prepared for the follow up of "it doesn't count if it's not in the USA", and whatever form of special pleading to come after that.
  - SantalBlush 1y ago
    Comment one: "It bothers me a great deal as an American to see this anti-authoritarian thread of American identity...." Comment two: "When Americans were “resisting authority” by not wearing masks... did you feel the same pride in anti-authority behavior then?" Comment three: "Anybody get tear-gassed for not wearing a mask?" Comment four: "Yes.... In Australia"
    - like_any_other 1y ago
      What are you trying to say? That it's not anti-authoritarian if you don't get tear-gassed?
      - SantalBlush 1y ago
        The discussion was explicitly about American anti-authoritarianism, so countering with evidence of perceived government overreach in Australia is a laughably bad approach--no special pleading is required. It's a complete shifting of the goalposts, suggesting the person is really grasping at straws to make some kind of point.
        like_any_other 1y ago
        That doesn't answer my question, which was about Americans. > grasping at straws So stay at home orders and gathering bans [1] aren't authoritarian? Note, I am not asking if they were justified, or necessary (or perceived as such, given the information known at the time), but if they were authoritarian. If someone argues a point poorly, that doesn't make the point itself invalid. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_local_government_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_local_governmen...
        SantalBlush 1y ago
        Oh, I'm not here to indulge you in some petty argument. I was just pointing out that the comment about Australia wasn't the slam dunk you made it out to be. By all means, believe whatever you want. I doesn't bother me one bit.
        like_any_other 1y ago
        > I'm not here to indulge you in some petty argument. You're the one focusing on the specific arguments made, instead of the substance of the point being argued itself, and running away when faced with an argument you can't weasel out of.

Equating not wearing a mask with assaulting federal agents, damaging federal property, or being part of an unlawful assembly doing the former is quite a stretch. Be realistic about why the groups in LA are getting tear-gassed or pepperball’d.

roenxi 1y ago

Yes. That is part of why the various COVID measures proved quite unpopular. In Australia for example we saw the standard crowd-control treatments [0] being used to break up protests of people who objected to the sudden spike in authoritarianism. There was also the internationally eyebrow-raising financial abuse that the Canadians were doling out that was a new low for anti-protest tactics and political repression. [0] https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/victoria-police-fire-rubber-bullets-as-part-of-new-tactics-to-disperse-crowds-protesting-in-melbourne/news-story/0c7743f78ac17ffc569a75aa1e6c9fcc?nk=f03ea4252b7a9615ba49b3cd1adeb884-1749475700 https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/coronavirus/victor...

like_any_other 1y ago
You replied to "it doesn't count as anti-authoritarian if you don't get tear-gassed". I hope you are prepared for the follow up of "it doesn't count if it's not in the USA", and whatever form of special pleading to come after that.
- SantalBlush 1y ago
  Comment one: "It bothers me a great deal as an American to see this anti-authoritarian thread of American identity...." Comment two: "When Americans were “resisting authority” by not wearing masks... did you feel the same pride in anti-authority behavior then?" Comment three: "Anybody get tear-gassed for not wearing a mask?" Comment four: "Yes.... In Australia"
  - like_any_other 1y ago
    What are you trying to say? That it's not anti-authoritarian if you don't get tear-gassed?
    - SantalBlush 1y ago
      The discussion was explicitly about American anti-authoritarianism, so countering with evidence of perceived government overreach in Australia is a laughably bad approach--no special pleading is required. It's a complete shifting of the goalposts, suggesting the person is really grasping at straws to make some kind of point.
      - like_any_other 1y ago
        That doesn't answer my question, which was about Americans. > grasping at straws So stay at home orders and gathering bans [1] aren't authoritarian? Note, I am not asking if they were justified, or necessary (or perceived as such, given the information known at the time), but if they were authoritarian. If someone argues a point poorly, that doesn't make the point itself invalid. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_local_government_responses_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_local_governmen...
        SantalBlush 1y ago
        Oh, I'm not here to indulge you in some petty argument. I was just pointing out that the comment about Australia wasn't the slam dunk you made it out to be. By all means, believe whatever you want. I doesn't bother me one bit.
        like_any_other 1y ago
        > I'm not here to indulge you in some petty argument. You're the one focusing on the specific arguments made, instead of the substance of the point being argued itself, and running away when faced with an argument you can't weasel out of.