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> God knows what He wants and wrote it down exactly like that. When the word of God has obvious contradictions and inconsistencies what does it mean? Are there

by bambax 1y ago

> God knows what He wants and wrote it down exactly like that. When the word of God has obvious contradictions and inconsistencies what does it mean? Are there little traps that He set up for us mortals? Is God mischievous?

lo_zamoyski 1y ago
> the word of God has obvious contradictions and inconsistencies Such as?
- david-gpu 1y ago
  "Problem of evil". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
  - asenchi 1y ago
    This is answered throughout scriptures. The problem of sin is human's rejection of the goodness of God. We love ourselves more than we love him and in that rejection regularly advantage ourselves at the disadvantage of those around us. In order to solve the problem, we would have to be wiped out. But in the wisdom and goodness of God he planned a way from the beginning to solve our transgressions. God created all things out of love, and made humans as image bearers to tend to his creation. Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Humans put themselves before God in the garden and by doing so brought evil into the world. The rest of scripture is God's good plan to turn the world right again, to expel evil from his good creation while also saving those whom bear his image that he loves. He does this by giving them the law to expose the sin of humankind, and sending the 2nd person of the trinity of God (Jesus) to fulfill the law. Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice to pay the guilt of the sins of humans. In doing so bringing true justice and mercy for the evil brought into the world. In his resurrection he conquered death (the ultimate punishment for evil, death is something that was never intended in God's good creation) and setting in motion the process of restoring the world, bringing about new creation in which Jesus is the first fruits. The world will be set right and all sin, evil, and tears wiped away. (fixed some grammatical errors)
    - RankingMember 1y ago
      > Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Out of love, God gave us the option to do things against him and be eternally damned?
      - david-gpu 1y ago
        No, no. He didn't give us any option. God is all-powerful and all-knowing, so he made us knowing that we would break his rules and thus knowing that he would later punish us for eternity for breaking them. The notion of free will is in complete contradiction with an all-knowing all-powerful agent that sets things in motion. And the fact that God still punishes us even though we never had a choice is proof that it's not benevolent. So: all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving. Pick two.
        asenchi 1y ago
        Except the God of the Bible picked all three. That is what makes it the greatest story ever told. :)
        david-gpu 1y ago
        If you can't or won't see the contradiction, at least I hope you can enjoy the story, because that is all it can be.
        asenchi 1y ago
        If you can’t or won’t see the truth in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ I pray that it is revealed to you and you have life changing faith. Either way, be blessed in your day and week.
        anthk 1y ago
        This. It's like knowing the outcome of running sudo -rm -Rfv in a script and then blaming a privileged user who ran it.
  - lo_zamoyski 1y ago
    That isn’t a Scriptural example, but a general criticism. In any case, the problem of evil is not the showstopper some think it is [0][1]. [0] https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/4/268 https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/4/268 [1] https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1049.htm https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1049.htm
- system33- 1y ago
  https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/ https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/
  - lo_zamoyski 1y ago
    It is easy to manufacture contradictions by prooftexting. It isn't difficult to read in a favored hypothesis that contains contradictions, but that is by no means demanded by the text. Many can be resolved by recognizing that the same thing was being described from two different perspectives or with a focus on different aspects. The quintessential example is perhaps #3 which purports that the two accounts of creation are contradictory. But there are a number of ways to interpret Genesis [0] that doesn't result in contradiction while maintaining the theological truths that are the purpose of biblical texts. The Bible isn't a scientific treatise. Another typical class of examples are the purported inconsistencies within the Gospels themselves [1]. An article on inerrancy you might find interesting [2]. [0] https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/are-there-contradictions-in-genesis-1-and-2 https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/are-there-co... [1] https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-resolve-alleged-gospel-contradictions https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-reso... [2] https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/is-scripture-inerrant https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/is-scripture...

by bambax 1y ago

lo_zamoyski 1y ago

> the word of God has obvious contradictions and inconsistencies Such as?

david-gpu 1y ago
"Problem of evil". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil
- asenchi 1y ago
  This is answered throughout scriptures. The problem of sin is human's rejection of the goodness of God. We love ourselves more than we love him and in that rejection regularly advantage ourselves at the disadvantage of those around us. In order to solve the problem, we would have to be wiped out. But in the wisdom and goodness of God he planned a way from the beginning to solve our transgressions. God created all things out of love, and made humans as image bearers to tend to his creation. Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Humans put themselves before God in the garden and by doing so brought evil into the world. The rest of scripture is God's good plan to turn the world right again, to expel evil from his good creation while also saving those whom bear his image that he loves. He does this by giving them the law to expose the sin of humankind, and sending the 2nd person of the trinity of God (Jesus) to fulfill the law. Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice to pay the guilt of the sins of humans. In doing so bringing true justice and mercy for the evil brought into the world. In his resurrection he conquered death (the ultimate punishment for evil, death is something that was never intended in God's good creation) and setting in motion the process of restoring the world, bringing about new creation in which Jesus is the first fruits. The world will be set right and all sin, evil, and tears wiped away. (fixed some grammatical errors)
  - RankingMember 1y ago
    > Out of love he did these things, fully knowing that humans were capable of turning away from God. Out of love, God gave us the option to do things against him and be eternally damned?
    - david-gpu 1y ago
      No, no. He didn't give us any option. God is all-powerful and all-knowing, so he made us knowing that we would break his rules and thus knowing that he would later punish us for eternity for breaking them. The notion of free will is in complete contradiction with an all-knowing all-powerful agent that sets things in motion. And the fact that God still punishes us even though we never had a choice is proof that it's not benevolent. So: all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving. Pick two.
      - asenchi 1y ago
        Except the God of the Bible picked all three. That is what makes it the greatest story ever told. :)
        david-gpu 1y ago
        If you can't or won't see the contradiction, at least I hope you can enjoy the story, because that is all it can be.
        asenchi 1y ago
        If you can’t or won’t see the truth in the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ I pray that it is revealed to you and you have life changing faith. Either way, be blessed in your day and week.
      - anthk 1y ago
        This. It's like knowing the outcome of running sudo -rm -Rfv in a script and then blaming a privileged user who ran it.
- lo_zamoyski 1y ago
  That isn’t a Scriptural example, but a general criticism. In any case, the problem of evil is not the showstopper some think it is [0][1]. [0] https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/4/268 https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/12/4/268 [1] https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1049.htm https://www.newadvent.org/summa/1049.htm
system33- 1y ago
https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/ https://www.bartehrman.com/contradictions-in-the-bible/
- lo_zamoyski 1y ago
  It is easy to manufacture contradictions by prooftexting. It isn't difficult to read in a favored hypothesis that contains contradictions, but that is by no means demanded by the text. Many can be resolved by recognizing that the same thing was being described from two different perspectives or with a focus on different aspects. The quintessential example is perhaps #3 which purports that the two accounts of creation are contradictory. But there are a number of ways to interpret Genesis [0] that doesn't result in contradiction while maintaining the theological truths that are the purpose of biblical texts. The Bible isn't a scientific treatise. Another typical class of examples are the purported inconsistencies within the Gospels themselves [1]. An article on inerrancy you might find interesting [2]. [0] https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/are-there-contradictions-in-genesis-1-and-2 https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/are-there-co... [1] https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-resolve-alleged-gospel-contradictions https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-reso... [2] https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/is-scripture-inerrant https://www.catholic.com/magazine/print-edition/is-scripture...