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Foreign people do not have a constitutional right to be here and the federal government is obligated by the constitution to protect the states from invasion. Th

Foreign people do not have a constitutional right to be here and the federal government is obligated by the constitution to protect the states from invasion. That's almost the entire point of the thing. Not doing this would be a violation of the constitution. If you think there's an issue with this the correct (both moral and practical) thing to do would be to campaign for secession.

ty6853 1y ago
There is a constitutional way to remove people, and an unconstitutional way. When the unconstitutional way is intentionally chosen, the agency doing it is an enemy of the USA and we don't have due process to ensure individual rights are protected. The 'entire point' of the thing of the government is to protect the rights of individuals in our borders, and all else falls downstream from that. As for secession, I agree the states should have that right, however the civil war and subsequent litigation established that states have no right to secession.
- msgodel 1y ago
  That's absurd. If an invading force shows up they have no constitutional rights to hearings etc and as foreigners no they are not obligated to anything from us under the constitution (otherwise we'd be an international economic zone like the EU, not a country.)
  - ty6853 1y ago
    You're essentially appealing to the natural right to self defense. I'll grant you the constitution isn't a suicide pact -- if people are in imminent danger of death or disability then they or anyone else has a natural right to swiftly and severely deal with the transgressor. Any society that doesn't will perish, this supersedes all laws written by man. However, after that happens there will be judgement. And the judgement is finding that quite often these renditions without process were not so justified. If you are going to act without process, you damn well better be right, and if you are not you should be judged as if you acted violently lawlessly.
    - msgodel 1y ago
      You can judge all you'd like, the rest of us actually have to live somewhere. Again if you think there's a moral problem you should campaign for secession (the rest of the country absolutely does not share your concern.)
JohnFen 1y ago
> to protect the states from invasion. There is no invasion by any meaningful definition of the term.
mcphage 1y ago
> to protect the states from invasion What on earth do you think an “invasion” is?

ty6853 1y ago

There is a constitutional way to remove people, and an unconstitutional way. When the unconstitutional way is intentionally chosen, the agency doing it is an enemy of the USA and we don't have due process to ensure individual rights are protected. The 'entire point' of the thing of the government is to protect the rights of individuals in our borders, and all else falls downstream from that. As for secession, I agree the states should have that right, however the civil war and subsequent litigation established that states have no right to secession.

msgodel 1y ago
That's absurd. If an invading force shows up they have no constitutional rights to hearings etc and as foreigners no they are not obligated to anything from us under the constitution (otherwise we'd be an international economic zone like the EU, not a country.)
- ty6853 1y ago
  You're essentially appealing to the natural right to self defense. I'll grant you the constitution isn't a suicide pact -- if people are in imminent danger of death or disability then they or anyone else has a natural right to swiftly and severely deal with the transgressor. Any society that doesn't will perish, this supersedes all laws written by man. However, after that happens there will be judgement. And the judgement is finding that quite often these renditions without process were not so justified. If you are going to act without process, you damn well better be right, and if you are not you should be judged as if you acted violently lawlessly.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    You can judge all you'd like, the rest of us actually have to live somewhere. Again if you think there's a moral problem you should campaign for secession (the rest of the country absolutely does not share your concern.)

JohnFen 1y ago

> to protect the states from invasion. There is no invasion by any meaningful definition of the term.

mcphage 1y ago

> to protect the states from invasion What on earth do you think an “invasion” is?