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Huh indeed, you're talking about yet another argument, but just as wrong as the previous pivot: First search result for "us esta" in Google is "https://esta.cb

by eviks 1y ago

Huh indeed, you're talking about yet another argument, but just as wrong as the previous pivot: First search result for "us esta" in Google is "https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta", same as in kagi, is that your objectivite fail at coming up with a simple metric?

decimalenough 1y ago
Are you using an ad blocker or something? For me it's the 11th (!) link on mobile, far below the fold.
- lolc 1y ago
  Can confirm, official page is first result in Kagi and below the fold in Google for me.
  - robertlagrant 1y ago
    For me on desktop it was 3 giant ads but then the first real link was that one.
    - lostlogin 1y ago
      Any adverts and the competition is over as far as I’m concerned. I happily pay not to see them.
      - rafram 1y ago
        uBlock Origin is free.
        lolc 1y ago
        Sure an ad blocker improves the experience somewhat. But I try to keep adversarial relationships out of my life. I don't understand why people want to normalize this.
        mdaniel 1y ago
        Only in Firefox or user-friendly browsers, otherwise uBlock Lite is free for Manifest v3 browsers
        rafram 1y ago
        Both block all Google search ads fully and seamlessly.
        0_gravitas 1y ago
        but they don't block sponsored/seo-gamed articles, no?
        rafram 1y ago
        Neither does Kagi, at least fully. Customizations help a bit until you need to search for something outside your usual focus areas. Anyone who claims to have created a search engine that truly surfaces the best links and ignores SEO is lying to you.
        0_gravitas 1y ago
        That covers half of it, and indeed I do also rely on community and personal block/deranking lists for SEO spam. Does ublock or ddg etc block sponsored results?
        jorvi 1y ago
        iOS Firefox doesn't support extensions nor does it have proper adblocking.
    - lolc 1y ago
      I don't want to scroll around and decide what is real on every search.
      - robertlagrant 1y ago
        Thanks - I'll try and remember that!
cyberax 1y ago
Might be location-dependent. I'm on a trip in Turkey, and the corretct link to US ESTA is the first result. However, if I switch to a VPN to my home, I get garbage for the first 5 results. I also have my own WTFs with Google, I even started collecting them: https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59 https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59
piva00 1y ago
First search result in Google for me is "https://esta.visasyst.com/ https://esta.visasyst.com/", second one is "https://evisa.us/application/esta https://evisa.us/application/esta", third one is "https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta". First one on Kagi is the official US government ESTA website.
HumanOstrich 1y ago
What is "objectivite"?
- bombcar 1y ago
  The mineral form of objective; mainly mined in the Rockies but the EU and Australia have large untapped deposits of it.
  - HumanOstrich 1y ago
    Oh I see, thank you. Does it react to subjectivite?

by eviks 1y ago

decimalenough 1y ago

Are you using an ad blocker or something? For me it's the 11th (!) link on mobile, far below the fold.

lolc 1y ago
Can confirm, official page is first result in Kagi and below the fold in Google for me.
- robertlagrant 1y ago
  For me on desktop it was 3 giant ads but then the first real link was that one.
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    Any adverts and the competition is over as far as I’m concerned. I happily pay not to see them.
    - rafram 1y ago
      uBlock Origin is free.
      - lolc 1y ago
        Sure an ad blocker improves the experience somewhat. But I try to keep adversarial relationships out of my life. I don't understand why people want to normalize this.
      - mdaniel 1y ago
        Only in Firefox or user-friendly browsers, otherwise uBlock Lite is free for Manifest v3 browsers
        rafram 1y ago
        Both block all Google search ads fully and seamlessly.
        0_gravitas 1y ago
        but they don't block sponsored/seo-gamed articles, no?
        rafram 1y ago
        Neither does Kagi, at least fully. Customizations help a bit until you need to search for something outside your usual focus areas. Anyone who claims to have created a search engine that truly surfaces the best links and ignores SEO is lying to you.
        0_gravitas 1y ago
        That covers half of it, and indeed I do also rely on community and personal block/deranking lists for SEO spam. Does ublock or ddg etc block sponsored results?
        jorvi 1y ago
        iOS Firefox doesn't support extensions nor does it have proper adblocking.
  - lolc 1y ago
    I don't want to scroll around and decide what is real on every search.
    - robertlagrant 1y ago
      Thanks - I'll try and remember that!

cyberax 1y ago

Might be location-dependent. I'm on a trip in Turkey, and the corretct link to US ESTA is the first result. However, if I switch to a VPN to my home, I get garbage for the first 5 results. I also have my own WTFs with Google, I even started collecting them: https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59 https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59

piva00 1y ago

First search result in Google for me is "https://esta.visasyst.com/ https://esta.visasyst.com/", second one is "https://evisa.us/application/esta https://evisa.us/application/esta", third one is "https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta". First one on Kagi is the official US government ESTA website.

HumanOstrich 1y ago

What is "objectivite"?

bombcar 1y ago
The mineral form of objective; mainly mined in the Rockies but the EU and Australia have large untapped deposits of it.
- HumanOstrich 1y ago
  Oh I see, thank you. Does it react to subjectivite?