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And yet, somehow, they've managed quite well :^)
by 0_gravitas 1y ago
And yet, somehow, they've managed quite well :^)
- eviks 1y agoThey haven't, but also that wasn't the argument
- decimalenough 1y agoHuh? Kagi is objectively superior to Google/Bing at this point, to the point that 50k people are willingly paying $10/mo extra for it. Obviously they don't have the ancillary services (Maps etc), but for just searching, Kagi is far more likely to surface useful results instead of just the highest bidder. Compare a search like "us esta" for a clear demonstration.
- eviks 1y agoHuh indeed, you're talking about yet another argument, but just as wrong as the previous pivot: First search result for "us esta" in Google is "https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta https://esta.cbp.dhs.gov/esta", same as in kagi, is that your objectivite fail at coming up with a simple metric?
- decimalenough 1y agoAre you using an ad blocker or something? For me it's the 11th (!) link on mobile, far below the fold.
- lolc 1y agoCan confirm, official page is first result in Kagi and below the fold in Google for me.
- robertlagrant 1y agoFor me on desktop it was 3 giant ads but then the first real link was that one.
- lostlogin 1y agoAny adverts and the competition is over as far as I’m concerned. I happily pay not to see them.
- rafram 1y agouBlock Origin is free.
- lolc 1y agoSure an ad blocker improves the experience somewhat. But I try to keep adversarial relationships out of my life. I don't understand why people want to normalize this.
- mdaniel 1y agoOnly in Firefox or user-friendly browsers, otherwise uBlock Lite is free for Manifest v3 browsers
- rafram 1y agoBoth block all Google search ads fully and seamlessly.
- 0_gravitas 1y agobut they don't block sponsored/seo-gamed articles, no?
- rafram 1y agoNeither does Kagi, at least fully. Customizations help a bit until you need to search for something outside your usual focus areas. Anyone who claims to have created a search engine that truly surfaces the best links and ignores SEO is lying to you.
- cyberax 1y agoMight be location-dependent. I'm on a trip in Turkey, and the corretct link to US ESTA is the first result. However, if I switch to a VPN to my home, I get garbage for the first 5 results. I also have my own WTFs with Google, I even started collecting them: https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59 https://imgur.com/a/bgFax59
- piva00 1y agoFirst search result in Google for me is "https://esta.visasyst.com/ https://esta.visasyst.com/", second one is "https://evisa.us/application/esta https://evisa.us/application/esta", third one is "https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta https://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/esta". First one on Kagi is the official US government ESTA website.
- HumanOstrich 1y agoWhat is "objectivite"?
- bombcar 1y agoThe mineral form of objective; mainly mined in the Rockies but the EU and Australia have large untapped deposits of it.
- HumanOstrich 1y agoOh I see, thank you. Does it react to subjectivite?
- cyberax 1y agoKagi is a meta-search engine, they don't have their own index for the whole Internet (they do for a small subset of it).
- b112 1y agoYes, they pay per search when using others, so I guess the best strategy is to court devs, then index tech sites on your own. Let others handle rarer queries.
- Barrin92 1y ago>Kagi is objectively superior to Google/Bing at this point I'm not entirely sure what "objectively superior" is even supposed to mean in the context of a search engine, or how this follows from having 50k users, but that ceases to be an even remotely plausible statement if you've ever attempted to get good non-English search results.
- carlosjobim 1y agoKagi gives great search results in other languages than English. You might have to select the right region first. Kagi and Google are the only search engines I have tried that gives decent results for other languages than English.