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I'm pretty sure that if there is a god, then the act of deliberately subverting what you believe to be his laws by exploiting what you perceive to be a technica

I'm pretty sure that if there is a god, then the act of deliberately subverting what you believe to be his laws by exploiting what you perceive to be a technicality for your own convenience isn't going to work out in your favor in the end.

theshrike79 1y ago
This is on the level of "if the bar doesn't have windows, Allah can't see me drink" of tomfoolery. And I'm all for it. =)
ctkhn 1y ago
Have you seen the polymarket odds for Jesus Christ's return in 2025? Can't imagine taking the yes on that whether you believe or not.
lovecg 1y ago
I know, someone should really point out that following the rules of a religion blindly can go too far! Might start a movement of some sort.
bradrn 1y ago
Not at all. The Jewish perspective is essentially that Jewish law stems from the creation of an all-knowing God, and therefore any seeming ‘loopholes’ must not only be known to Him but explicitly intended to exist. On this basis, it must be perfectly valid to use them!
- nehal3m 1y ago
  That's just a loophole to justify exploiting loopholes.
  - lazide 1y ago
    Now you know why there are so many Jewish lawyers. Also Catholic.
  - WJW 1y ago
    Only if you believe the loopholes to be actually loopholes. I'm not religious, but taking the word of God and declaring that it means something else than what it actually says would be a textbook example of the sin of hubris, no?
    - nehal3m 1y ago
      That would remove all interpretability as a side effect, wouldn't it? I'm not religious either, but I imagine that would make all sorts of literal claims problematic as measured against modern ethics, and make it impossible for contradictory claims to be resolved. Personally I do think interpreting rather than following the word of your chosen supreme being is the height of hubris. Intentionally interpreting it such that you can ignore the ostensibly obvious meaning even more so. Then again if a text allows for ways to skirt the spirit of a prescription then maybe the 'supreme' being that is supposed to have dictated it isn't all that.
- like_any_other 1y ago
  "Loophole" is a bad term. "Deliberate misunderstanding" is more accurate.
amendegree 1y ago
Religious Jews consider your contention to be blasphemous, as it suggests there’s a way to outsmart god, which would directly contradict his apparent higher being status.
- boxed 1y ago
  Not outsmart god, but outsmart yourself straight into hell.
  - azernik 1y ago
    Judaism in most variants doesn't have hell. Don't try to parse this religion as "Christianity with different rules", it'll only mislead you.
bravesoul2 1y ago
What do you mean by "god". I don't think you know what you mean when you say god. What do you mean by "is" ...
- peteforde 1y ago
  It's not a party until JP walks in.
voiper1 1y ago
The eiruv only works as a loophole for the added stringencies by the Rabbis. Anything that's considered totally public in actual Torah Law (which is a big debate what exactly that is) is not subject to the permissibility of creating an eiruv.
gadders 1y ago
Wait until you hear about Kapparot.
nashashmi 1y ago
The first subversion that occurred was the administrative change that said you can subvert the rules within your home. Then the rabbis proceeded to enlarge the home boundaries.
Spooky23 1y ago
People of faith are finding their way to practice in the context of modern society. As humans we generally try to make sense of the world, and faith is a big part of this community’s world. Personally, I think that commitment and the thoughtfulness behind it is something to be respected.
draw_down 1y ago
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theshrike79 1y ago

This is on the level of "if the bar doesn't have windows, Allah can't see me drink" of tomfoolery. And I'm all for it. =)

ctkhn 1y ago

Have you seen the polymarket odds for Jesus Christ's return in 2025? Can't imagine taking the yes on that whether you believe or not.

lovecg 1y ago

I know, someone should really point out that following the rules of a religion blindly can go too far! Might start a movement of some sort.

bradrn 1y ago

Not at all. The Jewish perspective is essentially that Jewish law stems from the creation of an all-knowing God, and therefore any seeming ‘loopholes’ must not only be known to Him but explicitly intended to exist. On this basis, it must be perfectly valid to use them!

nehal3m 1y ago
That's just a loophole to justify exploiting loopholes.
- lazide 1y ago
  Now you know why there are so many Jewish lawyers. Also Catholic.
- WJW 1y ago
  Only if you believe the loopholes to be actually loopholes. I'm not religious, but taking the word of God and declaring that it means something else than what it actually says would be a textbook example of the sin of hubris, no?
  - nehal3m 1y ago
    That would remove all interpretability as a side effect, wouldn't it? I'm not religious either, but I imagine that would make all sorts of literal claims problematic as measured against modern ethics, and make it impossible for contradictory claims to be resolved. Personally I do think interpreting rather than following the word of your chosen supreme being is the height of hubris. Intentionally interpreting it such that you can ignore the ostensibly obvious meaning even more so. Then again if a text allows for ways to skirt the spirit of a prescription then maybe the 'supreme' being that is supposed to have dictated it isn't all that.
like_any_other 1y ago
"Loophole" is a bad term. "Deliberate misunderstanding" is more accurate.

amendegree 1y ago

Religious Jews consider your contention to be blasphemous, as it suggests there’s a way to outsmart god, which would directly contradict his apparent higher being status.

boxed 1y ago
Not outsmart god, but outsmart yourself straight into hell.
- azernik 1y ago
  Judaism in most variants doesn't have hell. Don't try to parse this religion as "Christianity with different rules", it'll only mislead you.

bravesoul2 1y ago

What do you mean by "god". I don't think you know what you mean when you say god. What do you mean by "is" ...

peteforde 1y ago
It's not a party until JP walks in.

voiper1 1y ago

The eiruv only works as a loophole for the added stringencies by the Rabbis. Anything that's considered totally public in actual Torah Law (which is a big debate what exactly that is) is not subject to the permissibility of creating an eiruv.

gadders 1y ago

Wait until you hear about Kapparot.

nashashmi 1y ago

The first subversion that occurred was the administrative change that said you can subvert the rules within your home. Then the rabbis proceeded to enlarge the home boundaries.

Spooky23 1y ago

People of faith are finding their way to practice in the context of modern society. As humans we generally try to make sense of the world, and faith is a big part of this community’s world. Personally, I think that commitment and the thoughtfulness behind it is something to be respected.

draw_down 1y ago

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