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>If four ICC judges are sanctioned by the corrupt Trump administration because of their rulings that it is a genocide They have done no such thing. The only ru

>If four ICC judges are sanctioned by the corrupt Trump administration because of their rulings that it is a genocide They have done no such thing. The only ruling thus far was basically equivalent to a grand jury indictment. There has been no ruling that the Gaza conflict is or was a genocide, only that the claim was plausible enough to proceed through the legal process. It came with an order to preserve evidence and produce reports for the court and take steps to ensure a genocide did not occur. There was no ruling that a genocide is or was occurring. That is false. I expect you to retract your claim. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3g9g63jl17o

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cookiengineer 1y ago
> There was no ruling that a genocide is or was occurring. That is false. I expect you to retract your claim. The ICC specifically ordered Israel to introduce immediate measures to prevent genocide. That is the exact wording of the order. [1] A trial will happen once the president and/or generals of the IDF set foot on European land, or once they are extradited, which they likely will never do. Both the ICC and the ICJ came to the same conclusion that the blockades of humanitarian aids, the destruction of religious and medical institutions, combined with military rocket strikes against civilians are evidence that Israel is "destroying Palestinians in Gaza", and that it is genocide. Additionally, multiple NGOs have come to the same conclusion, including Amnesty International [2] and the ECCHR [3] [1] https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/CourtRecords/0902ebd1809a40bf.pdf https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/CourtRecords/090... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter... [3] https://www.ecchr.eu/fileadmin/Q_As/ECCHR_Q_A__Gaza_and_Genocide_20241210.pdf https://www.ecchr.eu/fileadmin/Q_As/ECCHR_Q_A__Gaza_and_Geno...
- dlubarov 1y ago
  > The ICC specifically ordered Israel to introduce immediate measures to prevent genocide. Can you quote the order you're referring to? That doesn't sound right, ICC would have no authority (under its own rules) to issue injunctive orders of that sort. > Both the ICC and the ICJ came to the same conclusion ... that it is genocide. ICJ made no such finding (so far) - the finding at this stage was that Palestinians had a "plausible right" to be protected from genocide, not that one is occurring. This doesn't sound right for the ICC either, since it's at the pre-trial stage where they don't make such findings of fact.

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cookiengineer 1y ago

> There was no ruling that a genocide is or was occurring. That is false. I expect you to retract your claim. The ICC specifically ordered Israel to introduce immediate measures to prevent genocide. That is the exact wording of the order. [1] A trial will happen once the president and/or generals of the IDF set foot on European land, or once they are extradited, which they likely will never do. Both the ICC and the ICJ came to the same conclusion that the blockades of humanitarian aids, the destruction of religious and medical institutions, combined with military rocket strikes against civilians are evidence that Israel is "destroying Palestinians in Gaza", and that it is genocide. Additionally, multiple NGOs have come to the same conclusion, including Amnesty International [2] and the ECCHR [3] [1] https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/CourtRecords/0902ebd1809a40bf.pdf https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/CourtRecords/090... [2] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-international-concludes-israel-is-committing-genocide-against-palestinians-in-gaza/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/12/amnesty-inter... [3] https://www.ecchr.eu/fileadmin/Q_As/ECCHR_Q_A__Gaza_and_Genocide_20241210.pdf https://www.ecchr.eu/fileadmin/Q_As/ECCHR_Q_A__Gaza_and_Geno...

dlubarov 1y ago
> The ICC specifically ordered Israel to introduce immediate measures to prevent genocide. Can you quote the order you're referring to? That doesn't sound right, ICC would have no authority (under its own rules) to issue injunctive orders of that sort. > Both the ICC and the ICJ came to the same conclusion ... that it is genocide. ICJ made no such finding (so far) - the finding at this stage was that Palestinians had a "plausible right" to be protected from genocide, not that one is occurring. This doesn't sound right for the ICC either, since it's at the pre-trial stage where they don't make such findings of fact.