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For comptime perf improvements, I know what needs to be done - I even started working on a branch a long time ago. Unfortunately, it is going to require reworki

For comptime perf improvements, I know what needs to be done - I even started working on a branch a long time ago. Unfortunately, it is going to require reworking a lot of the semantic analysis code. Something that absolutely can, should, and will be done, but is competing with other priorities.

9d 1y ago
Have you considered hiring people to help you with these tasks so you can work in parallel and get more done quicker?
- AndyKelley 1y ago
  It's a funny question because, as far as I'm aware, Zig Software Foundation is the only organization among its peers that spends the bulk of its revenue directly paying contributors for their time - something I'm quite proud of.
  - 9d 1y ago
    Oh so then you're already doing that. Well then that's fine, the tasks will get done when they get done then.
  - BSDobelix 1y ago
    >>spends the bulk of its revenue directly paying contributors Same with the FreeBSD Foundation (P: OS Improvements): https://freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Budget2024-Approved-Public.pdf https://freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Bud...
    - squeek502 1y ago
      FWIW here's what that looks like for Zig: https://ziglang.org/news/2024-financials/ https://ziglang.org/news/2024-financials/
      - BSDobelix 1y ago
        Super happy about those two :) Other Foundations are more like the "Penguin Foundation".....
lenkite 1y ago
Thank you for working so hard on Zig. Really looking forward to Zig 1.0 taking the system programming language throne.
- Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
  I am not sure, but why can't C,Rust and Zig with others (like Ada,Odin etc.) and of course C++ (how did I forget it?) just coexist. Not sure why but I was definitely getting some game of thrones vibes from your comment and I would love to see some competition but I don't know, Just code in whatever is productive to you while being systems programming language I guess. But I don't know low level languages so please, take my words at 2 cents.
  - brabel 1y ago
    I am just watching the Game of Throne series right now, so this comment sounds funnier than it should to me :D. The fight for the Iron Throne, lots of self-proclaimed kings trying to take it... C is like King Joffrey, Rust is maybe Robb Stark?! And Zig... probably princess Daenerys with her dragons.
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  - lmm 1y ago
    The industry has the resources to sustain maybe two and a half proper IDEs with debuggers, profilers etc.. So much as we might wish otherwise, language popularity matters. The likes of LSP mitigate this to a certain extent, but at the moment they only go so far.
    - rfoo 1y ago
      All system programming languages mentioned by GP share the same set of debuggers and profilers, though. It's not very language specific.
    - 1y ago
titzer 1y ago
For Virgil I went through three different compile-time interpreters. The first walked a tree-like IR that predated SSA. Then, after SSA, I designed a linked-list-like representation specifically for interpretation speed. After dozens of little discrepancies between this custom interpreter and compile output, I finally got rid of it and wrote an interpreter that works directly on the SSA intermediate representation. In the worst case, the SSA interpreter is only 2X slower than the custom interpreter. In the best case, it's faster, and saves a translation step. I feel it is worth it because of the maintenance burden and bugs.

9d 1y ago

Have you considered hiring people to help you with these tasks so you can work in parallel and get more done quicker?

AndyKelley 1y ago
It's a funny question because, as far as I'm aware, Zig Software Foundation is the only organization among its peers that spends the bulk of its revenue directly paying contributors for their time - something I'm quite proud of.
- 9d 1y ago
  Oh so then you're already doing that. Well then that's fine, the tasks will get done when they get done then.
- BSDobelix 1y ago
  >>spends the bulk of its revenue directly paying contributors Same with the FreeBSD Foundation (P: OS Improvements): https://freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Budget2024-Approved-Public.pdf https://freebsdfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/03/Bud...
  - squeek502 1y ago
    FWIW here's what that looks like for Zig: https://ziglang.org/news/2024-financials/ https://ziglang.org/news/2024-financials/
    - BSDobelix 1y ago
      Super happy about those two :) Other Foundations are more like the "Penguin Foundation".....

lenkite 1y ago

Thank you for working so hard on Zig. Really looking forward to Zig 1.0 taking the system programming language throne.

Imustaskforhelp 1y ago
I am not sure, but why can't C,Rust and Zig with others (like Ada,Odin etc.) and of course C++ (how did I forget it?) just coexist. Not sure why but I was definitely getting some game of thrones vibes from your comment and I would love to see some competition but I don't know, Just code in whatever is productive to you while being systems programming language I guess. But I don't know low level languages so please, take my words at 2 cents.
- brabel 1y ago
  I am just watching the Game of Throne series right now, so this comment sounds funnier than it should to me :D. The fight for the Iron Throne, lots of self-proclaimed kings trying to take it... C is like King Joffrey, Rust is maybe Robb Stark?! And Zig... probably princess Daenerys with her dragons.
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- lmm 1y ago
  The industry has the resources to sustain maybe two and a half proper IDEs with debuggers, profilers etc.. So much as we might wish otherwise, language popularity matters. The likes of LSP mitigate this to a certain extent, but at the moment they only go so far.
  - rfoo 1y ago
    All system programming languages mentioned by GP share the same set of debuggers and profilers, though. It's not very language specific.
  - 1y ago

titzer 1y ago

For Virgil I went through three different compile-time interpreters. The first walked a tree-like IR that predated SSA. Then, after SSA, I designed a linked-list-like representation specifically for interpretation speed. After dozens of little discrepancies between this custom interpreter and compile output, I finally got rid of it and wrote an interpreter that works directly on the SSA intermediate representation. In the worst case, the SSA interpreter is only 2X slower than the custom interpreter. In the best case, it's faster, and saves a translation step. I feel it is worth it because of the maintenance burden and bugs.