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This is very true. I would give up acceleration for higher range. I think high acceleration is only needed to about 35 miles an hour.

RhysU 1y ago
You're in the left lane at 70 MPH passing a long line of cars. Some idiot comes up behind you at 90+ and rides your tail. Good thing you could accelerate quickly starting from 70 to finish passing the line then move over into the right lane.
- to11mtm 1y ago
  Assuming 70MPH is already 5 miles over the limit in this case and the vehicle behind you is not an emergency responder... All you're doing is letting a dickhead bully win and letting bad people get away with bad behavior.
  - detourdog 1y ago
    I never run out of top-end acceleration even when the speed limit is 75. I find the 0-35 is the sweet spot for pulling out if the curve drops after that I don't really notice it. A few months back I rented an ICE car and I had to change my driving style. I would step on the gas and mostly got noise back.
    - to11mtm 1y ago
      It depends a lot on the ICE and setup. If I'm in my WRX and I do need to go above 75 quickly, I can drop into 4th and get to 80 more quickly. But I've got a stick so I can do that. If I'm in something with a slushbox, I have to wait for the thing to decide that downshifting is needed before it will pick up. I'll admit the Toyota Hybrids hit a good 'in-between' for these (probably closer to an EV than either a Manual or a slushbox.) I'll get a bit of instant acceleration but anything after a half second to second is a bit slower.
      - detourdog 1y ago
        I have the range extender option which is one-cylinder scooter motor(.733 CI) with a 2 gallon tank. If I need to travel over 70 on the REX I will lose out on HVAC.
  - RhysU 1y ago
    Man, I will certainly change the bully's lifelong behavior by making him ride 12" off my rear bumper for 5 miles while incurring no personal danger when teaching him the error of his ways.
    - to11mtm 1y ago
      If he's riding your rear bumper for 5 miles in the left lane, you might have been in the left lane too long vs using it for passing. If he's riding your rear bumper for 5 miles after the fact, well obviously he wasn't in that much of a rush to begin with.
    - to11mtm 1y ago
      BTW as separate anecdata... This morning I was in the rightmost lane doing 5 over and I indeed had someone come up at me 15+ over and ride my ass. Was I supposed to just pull over to the shoulder at that point or kowtow?
- thrill 1y ago
  Place right turn signal on. People to the right of you make a hole. You move over. You decide to stay there until traffic is empty to pass again without impeding others. You never leave your zen.
  - rascul 1y ago
    > People to the right of you make a hole. Sometimes, but not so common not in my experience.
  - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
    From the GP's description, "passing a long line of cars", unless that vehicle is flashing emergency lights you certainly don't need to move over to accommodate an aggressive driver to your rear (and doing so might force you to slow down to a halt). This situation is common when there's a backed-up highway exit for example. But I don't think a powerful engine is needed in that scenario either. The only case where it's really needed is accelerating up a steep hill.
    - SoftTalker 1y ago
      Depends on where you’re driving. On the Autobahn, or even in some US states, impeding a vehicle in the passing lane is a violation even if you’re going at or over the speed limit.
      - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
        I'm skeptical. If you are moving at the same speed as (or slower than) traffic in the right lane, or if the right lane is clear, then sure, no doubt. Drive on the right, pass on the left. But in this scenario you are currently passing on the left. The traffic on the right may even be gridlocked. In which states must you clear the lane even when you yourself are presently passing on the left of slower traffic in the right lane?
to11mtm 1y ago
AFAIK the range benefits you'd get from a smaller electrical motor are minimal, and in the cost of a vehicle the bigger motor doesn't add a huge cost. Also, a bigger motor can be more reliable, if you're not running it at full bore you've probably got better heat dissipation so it will last longer. The other issue is people's addiction for large vehicles; bigger vehicle means bigger battery means more weight means more power needed to move everything. As an example a Blazer EV weighs 25-35% more than the ICE version. Take that with the comments about reliability, it counter-intuitively makes a lot of sense that the Blazer EV has a 500hp motor vs the 200-300HP in the ICE. As far as 'acceleration' itself, Acceleration tends to be more of a factor of torque curve. Electric motors tend to give lots of torque very quick... I accidentally chirp the tires on my Ford Maverick in a year more times than I was ever able to do even trying in my WRX. [0] [0] - Sure, the WRX is all wheel drive but it's also a good 450 pounds lighter than the Mav.
- detourdog 1y ago
  That is also my understanding. I believe the faster one can charge the battery the faster the battery can run the motor.
- detourdog 1y ago
  The BMW i3 was the fastest BMW from 0-35 for a while and I don't recall ever chirping the tires. This model was rear wheel drive...
  - to11mtm 1y ago
    Probably a few factors... The i3 is rear wheel drive but it's also rear wheel motor. Bigger skateboard battery means lower center of gravity. But perhaps the biggest factor is RWD the drive wheels don't have to steer (I'd say at least 2/3 of my 'chirps' were starting a turn). I'd be willing to wager the BMW has a better TCS software too. Also I don't run stock tires on my Maverick, I run DriveGuard Plus[1] which are probably less grippy than the standard tires. [1] - FWIW The WRX has 'OG' DriveGuard tires, The Plus supposedly are a -little- more grippy... Only lost 1 or 2 MPG on the Maverick changing to them from stock.

RhysU 1y ago

You're in the left lane at 70 MPH passing a long line of cars. Some idiot comes up behind you at 90+ and rides your tail. Good thing you could accelerate quickly starting from 70 to finish passing the line then move over into the right lane.

to11mtm 1y ago
Assuming 70MPH is already 5 miles over the limit in this case and the vehicle behind you is not an emergency responder... All you're doing is letting a dickhead bully win and letting bad people get away with bad behavior.
- detourdog 1y ago
  I never run out of top-end acceleration even when the speed limit is 75. I find the 0-35 is the sweet spot for pulling out if the curve drops after that I don't really notice it. A few months back I rented an ICE car and I had to change my driving style. I would step on the gas and mostly got noise back.
  - to11mtm 1y ago
    It depends a lot on the ICE and setup. If I'm in my WRX and I do need to go above 75 quickly, I can drop into 4th and get to 80 more quickly. But I've got a stick so I can do that. If I'm in something with a slushbox, I have to wait for the thing to decide that downshifting is needed before it will pick up. I'll admit the Toyota Hybrids hit a good 'in-between' for these (probably closer to an EV than either a Manual or a slushbox.) I'll get a bit of instant acceleration but anything after a half second to second is a bit slower.
    - detourdog 1y ago
      I have the range extender option which is one-cylinder scooter motor(.733 CI) with a 2 gallon tank. If I need to travel over 70 on the REX I will lose out on HVAC.
- RhysU 1y ago
  Man, I will certainly change the bully's lifelong behavior by making him ride 12" off my rear bumper for 5 miles while incurring no personal danger when teaching him the error of his ways.
  - to11mtm 1y ago
    If he's riding your rear bumper for 5 miles in the left lane, you might have been in the left lane too long vs using it for passing. If he's riding your rear bumper for 5 miles after the fact, well obviously he wasn't in that much of a rush to begin with.
  - to11mtm 1y ago
    BTW as separate anecdata... This morning I was in the rightmost lane doing 5 over and I indeed had someone come up at me 15+ over and ride my ass. Was I supposed to just pull over to the shoulder at that point or kowtow?
thrill 1y ago
Place right turn signal on. People to the right of you make a hole. You move over. You decide to stay there until traffic is empty to pass again without impeding others. You never leave your zen.
- rascul 1y ago
  > People to the right of you make a hole. Sometimes, but not so common not in my experience.
- mitthrowaway2 1y ago
  From the GP's description, "passing a long line of cars", unless that vehicle is flashing emergency lights you certainly don't need to move over to accommodate an aggressive driver to your rear (and doing so might force you to slow down to a halt). This situation is common when there's a backed-up highway exit for example. But I don't think a powerful engine is needed in that scenario either. The only case where it's really needed is accelerating up a steep hill.
  - SoftTalker 1y ago
    Depends on where you’re driving. On the Autobahn, or even in some US states, impeding a vehicle in the passing lane is a violation even if you’re going at or over the speed limit.
    - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
      I'm skeptical. If you are moving at the same speed as (or slower than) traffic in the right lane, or if the right lane is clear, then sure, no doubt. Drive on the right, pass on the left. But in this scenario you are currently passing on the left. The traffic on the right may even be gridlocked. In which states must you clear the lane even when you yourself are presently passing on the left of slower traffic in the right lane?

to11mtm 1y ago

AFAIK the range benefits you'd get from a smaller electrical motor are minimal, and in the cost of a vehicle the bigger motor doesn't add a huge cost. Also, a bigger motor can be more reliable, if you're not running it at full bore you've probably got better heat dissipation so it will last longer. The other issue is people's addiction for large vehicles; bigger vehicle means bigger battery means more weight means more power needed to move everything. As an example a Blazer EV weighs 25-35% more than the ICE version. Take that with the comments about reliability, it counter-intuitively makes a lot of sense that the Blazer EV has a 500hp motor vs the 200-300HP in the ICE. As far as 'acceleration' itself, Acceleration tends to be more of a factor of torque curve. Electric motors tend to give lots of torque very quick... I accidentally chirp the tires on my Ford Maverick in a year more times than I was ever able to do even trying in my WRX. [0] [0] - Sure, the WRX is all wheel drive but it's also a good 450 pounds lighter than the Mav.

detourdog 1y ago
That is also my understanding. I believe the faster one can charge the battery the faster the battery can run the motor.
detourdog 1y ago
The BMW i3 was the fastest BMW from 0-35 for a while and I don't recall ever chirping the tires. This model was rear wheel drive...
- to11mtm 1y ago
  Probably a few factors... The i3 is rear wheel drive but it's also rear wheel motor. Bigger skateboard battery means lower center of gravity. But perhaps the biggest factor is RWD the drive wheels don't have to steer (I'd say at least 2/3 of my 'chirps' were starting a turn). I'd be willing to wager the BMW has a better TCS software too. Also I don't run stock tires on my Maverick, I run DriveGuard Plus[1] which are probably less grippy than the standard tires. [1] - FWIW The WRX has 'OG' DriveGuard tires, The Plus supposedly are a -little- more grippy... Only lost 1 or 2 MPG on the Maverick changing to them from stock.