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Wow actual innovation instead of vaporware hype to pump the stock price...what a unusual way to run a tech company.

amriksohata 1y ago
I know we don't like Tesla at the moment, but lets not exaggerate, Tesla bought 250kw chargers and thats innovation at the time and BYD is still behind in terms of car quality compared to Teslas, BYD pricing is almost 40% cheaper - theres a reason, quality and service.
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- agumonkey 1y ago
  It's odd to think that Musk could have coasted doing a bit of innovation here and there and would have cemented himself as a great figure. Tesla really had a good stream of bold innovative moves along it's early path.
  - daveguy 1y ago
    And instead of coasting for a year or two he apparently crashed and burned on a ketamine fueled binge.
    - NewJazz 1y ago
      He is truly a common man. Let's not pretend we wouldn't do the same given the same situation /s
- mamonster 1y ago
  Serious question: I've never been in a BYD(hard to get in Switzerland), but I've been in all the Teslas. The Tesla build quality is atrocious when compared to BMW, Mercedes or Audi. Are you saying BYD is worse than that?
  - locusm 1y ago
    It’s far better in the Seal and Sea Lion.
  - maxglute 1y ago
    The joke/reputation of entry-level BYD in PRC a few years ago is that it's QA is almost as bad as Tesla from Shanghai, which has better QA than Tesla from other gigafactories. That was from when BYD was scaling up from 500k to 3million per year. High end BYD were always fine. Tesla's poor QA for premium brand is still running meme.
- lancewiggs 1y ago
  BYD is moving so quickly - the ones I’ve seen recently in NZ are surprisingly innovative, superb quality. Obviously not all markets are getting all vehicles, and the best are yet to leave China. Check out the EV Shark and Denza D9.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    Im NZ too. BYD Tang L is pretty impressive technically (coming soon). I almost want even larger, more powerful vehicle than my Model Y. But can’t imagine dealing with its software and uncertain future. Also I’d rather support Musk than Chinese. I drove Atto3, which is older vehicle now. UX is nowhere close to Tesla, but I’m keen to try newer ones.
    - beAbU 1y ago
      > Also I’d rather support Musk than Chinese. There are other EV makers out there, you know.
      - dzhiurgis 1y ago
        Hyundai/Kia are overpriced here and had some major failures so they can't be trusted (tho I do like Kia EV9 a little bit). Germans are overpriced by solid 2-3x. Japanese EVs are a total joke. Am I missing out someone?
        beAbU 1y ago
        The french? The italians? The other american ev makers like Ford, Rivian, Chevy and so on?
        dzhiurgis 1y ago
        Neither French nor Italians have any serious EVs that I know of. Ford had some good clearance discounts on Mach-E (same with Polestar) here, made it a reasonable deal. Rivian seems expensive in US to start with, in NZ it's waaaay past most peoples buying power. Dunno if Chevy is available here at all.
- const_cast 1y ago
  I don't know, Tesla's are notoriously low quality. At the end of the day these are American made cars, which is really the bottom of the barrel of vehicle quality.
- daveguy 1y ago
  Tesla has garbage fit, finish and build. They are run by a cheap-out scammer who puts more energy into social media than his business endeavors. 250kw in 2020 vs 1000kw (4x) in 2025. When is Tesla coming out with a 1MW charger? Sell your stock if you're still making that mistake.
- ponector 1y ago
  Just curious, what exactly is worse in BYD cars comparing with tesla? (Comparing similar price range, like top to top model) Some of Tesla vehicles are as innovative as ridiculous and illegal(in many countries).
  - scarab92 1y ago
    I’ve spent some time in a Juniper Model Y and BYD Sealion 7. The most notable areas where BYDs are still not competitive with Tesla are the interior (fit and finish is worse, the styling is unrefined and busy), the software (a buggy lightly skinned version of android), the suspension (BYD feels floaty whereas the Model Y feels grounded and responsive), and parts availability. If something goes wrong with BYDs in Australia, you can be without a car for months while waiting for parts to slowly steam across the ocean. The BYD is cheaper, but only by about 10%, which is not enough in my view to offset the overall feeling of still being a work in progress. That said, I really hate the onscreen gear selector in the Model Y. I’m fine with most controls being onscreen but I want a physical control for gear slection.
    - ponector 1y ago
      And yet, Tesla is missing basic features like HUD.
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1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago
Maybe it (BYD Auto Co., Ltd.) is not s so-called "tech" company. Maybe it is a an auto manufacturer that was aquired by a battery manufacturer (BYD Company). What does "tech company" even mean. Honest question. Perhaps it means different things to different people. Perhaps it is highly ambiguous. Perhaps it is associated with internet hype. BYD Auto's history seems to originate with a defense contractor, Norinco Group. It does not appear to have relied on internet hype. No connection to Silicon Valley. Unlike Tesla.

I know we don't like Tesla at the moment, but lets not exaggerate, Tesla bought 250kw chargers and thats innovation at the time and BYD is still behind in terms of car quality compared to Teslas, BYD pricing is almost 40% cheaper - theres a reason, quality and service.

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agumonkey 1y ago
It's odd to think that Musk could have coasted doing a bit of innovation here and there and would have cemented himself as a great figure. Tesla really had a good stream of bold innovative moves along it's early path.
- daveguy 1y ago
  And instead of coasting for a year or two he apparently crashed and burned on a ketamine fueled binge.
  - NewJazz 1y ago
    He is truly a common man. Let's not pretend we wouldn't do the same given the same situation /s
mamonster 1y ago
Serious question: I've never been in a BYD(hard to get in Switzerland), but I've been in all the Teslas. The Tesla build quality is atrocious when compared to BMW, Mercedes or Audi. Are you saying BYD is worse than that?
- locusm 1y ago
  It’s far better in the Seal and Sea Lion.
- maxglute 1y ago
  The joke/reputation of entry-level BYD in PRC a few years ago is that it's QA is almost as bad as Tesla from Shanghai, which has better QA than Tesla from other gigafactories. That was from when BYD was scaling up from 500k to 3million per year. High end BYD were always fine. Tesla's poor QA for premium brand is still running meme.
lancewiggs 1y ago
BYD is moving so quickly - the ones I’ve seen recently in NZ are surprisingly innovative, superb quality. Obviously not all markets are getting all vehicles, and the best are yet to leave China. Check out the EV Shark and Denza D9.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Im NZ too. BYD Tang L is pretty impressive technically (coming soon). I almost want even larger, more powerful vehicle than my Model Y. But can’t imagine dealing with its software and uncertain future. Also I’d rather support Musk than Chinese. I drove Atto3, which is older vehicle now. UX is nowhere close to Tesla, but I’m keen to try newer ones.
  - beAbU 1y ago
    > Also I’d rather support Musk than Chinese. There are other EV makers out there, you know.
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      Hyundai/Kia are overpriced here and had some major failures so they can't be trusted (tho I do like Kia EV9 a little bit). Germans are overpriced by solid 2-3x. Japanese EVs are a total joke. Am I missing out someone?
      - beAbU 1y ago
        The french? The italians? The other american ev makers like Ford, Rivian, Chevy and so on?
        dzhiurgis 1y ago
        Neither French nor Italians have any serious EVs that I know of. Ford had some good clearance discounts on Mach-E (same with Polestar) here, made it a reasonable deal. Rivian seems expensive in US to start with, in NZ it's waaaay past most peoples buying power. Dunno if Chevy is available here at all.
const_cast 1y ago
I don't know, Tesla's are notoriously low quality. At the end of the day these are American made cars, which is really the bottom of the barrel of vehicle quality.
daveguy 1y ago
Tesla has garbage fit, finish and build. They are run by a cheap-out scammer who puts more energy into social media than his business endeavors. 250kw in 2020 vs 1000kw (4x) in 2025. When is Tesla coming out with a 1MW charger? Sell your stock if you're still making that mistake.
ponector 1y ago
Just curious, what exactly is worse in BYD cars comparing with tesla? (Comparing similar price range, like top to top model) Some of Tesla vehicles are as innovative as ridiculous and illegal(in many countries).
- scarab92 1y ago
  I’ve spent some time in a Juniper Model Y and BYD Sealion 7. The most notable areas where BYDs are still not competitive with Tesla are the interior (fit and finish is worse, the styling is unrefined and busy), the software (a buggy lightly skinned version of android), the suspension (BYD feels floaty whereas the Model Y feels grounded and responsive), and parts availability. If something goes wrong with BYDs in Australia, you can be without a car for months while waiting for parts to slowly steam across the ocean. The BYD is cheaper, but only by about 10%, which is not enough in my view to offset the overall feeling of still being a work in progress. That said, I really hate the onscreen gear selector in the Model Y. I’m fine with most controls being onscreen but I want a physical control for gear slection.
  - ponector 1y ago
    And yet, Tesla is missing basic features like HUD.

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1vuio0pswjnm7 1y ago

Maybe it (BYD Auto Co., Ltd.) is not s so-called "tech" company. Maybe it is a an auto manufacturer that was aquired by a battery manufacturer (BYD Company). What does "tech company" even mean. Honest question. Perhaps it means different things to different people. Perhaps it is highly ambiguous. Perhaps it is associated with internet hype. BYD Auto's history seems to originate with a defense contractor, Norinco Group. It does not appear to have relied on internet hype. No connection to Silicon Valley. Unlike Tesla.