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Why is it not democratic? In the western world, we are allowed to change politicians, but politics don't change. How is that democratic? Also, just because you

Why is it not democratic? In the western world, we are allowed to change politicians, but politics don't change. How is that democratic? Also, just because you've never used a word doesn't mean it's not being used. In the US, discussions regarding class and class conflicts are heavily suppressed, reason why you wont hear it very often, and making most Americans politically and socially illiterate.

southernplaces7 1y ago
Now I get it, you're a brainless (or dishonest) propagandist who uses words without caring about their real-world meanings for the sake of an ideological "stance". Just to indulge: In the west, politics might often stay similar just because of the nature of that game (which also applies just as much in China for politicians) but yes, it is actually democratic to be able to throw one party out in favor of another if the previous one went a bit too far. It happens a lot and is much better than having your One-Party state dictate the terms of all discourse and change with near impunity. You can't be rationally serious if you think that there isn't a difference between the two. Discussion of class conflicts in the US is pervasive and widespread, if you can't find it it's because you're deliberately ignoring the subject. People are also allowed to openly criticize the policies of their leaders on social media or wherever they like. Even self-absorbed Trump, who likes to consider himself king shit of all leadership, regularly gets roasted viciously right on nationally syndicated TV via late night shows, comedy sketches and news opinion pieces. Please feel free to tell me with a straight face that anyone, much less the media outlets, can do this in your beloved Chinese "social democracy" against say, Xi Jinping.
- suraci 1y ago
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- derelicta 1y ago
  If you think I'm a propagandist, then how about you directly ask the peoples of China what they think of their leadership? And if you don't trust a few voices, how about you just look into polls made from western NGOs like Alliance of Democracies? https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index
  - southernplaces7 1y ago
    I've not doubt that many Chinese do applaud their leadership. Partly out of a closing of ranks against foreign criticism, partly out of genuine support and partly out of appeal created by sheer propagandization. Similar things happened in Nazi Germany and the USSR, or a number of other sophisticated dictatorships that had the time and effort to develop and entrench their social engineering and propaganda construction well. It doesn't change that China is emphatically a dictatorial regime and not a democracy, and even if many of its people decide to disagree with the administration at some point, they'll simply be repressed from expressing this at all, as had happened many times. And yes, you're either a propagandist or completely deluded.
    - gaoryrt 1y ago
      > And yes, you're either a propagandist or completely deluded. wut

southernplaces7 1y ago

Now I get it, you're a brainless (or dishonest) propagandist who uses words without caring about their real-world meanings for the sake of an ideological "stance". Just to indulge: In the west, politics might often stay similar just because of the nature of that game (which also applies just as much in China for politicians) but yes, it is actually democratic to be able to throw one party out in favor of another if the previous one went a bit too far. It happens a lot and is much better than having your One-Party state dictate the terms of all discourse and change with near impunity. You can't be rationally serious if you think that there isn't a difference between the two. Discussion of class conflicts in the US is pervasive and widespread, if you can't find it it's because you're deliberately ignoring the subject. People are also allowed to openly criticize the policies of their leaders on social media or wherever they like. Even self-absorbed Trump, who likes to consider himself king shit of all leadership, regularly gets roasted viciously right on nationally syndicated TV via late night shows, comedy sketches and news opinion pieces. Please feel free to tell me with a straight face that anyone, much less the media outlets, can do this in your beloved Chinese "social democracy" against say, Xi Jinping.

suraci 1y ago
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derelicta 1y ago
If you think I'm a propagandist, then how about you directly ask the peoples of China what they think of their leadership? And if you don't trust a few voices, how about you just look into polls made from western NGOs like Alliance of Democracies? https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  I've not doubt that many Chinese do applaud their leadership. Partly out of a closing of ranks against foreign criticism, partly out of genuine support and partly out of appeal created by sheer propagandization. Similar things happened in Nazi Germany and the USSR, or a number of other sophisticated dictatorships that had the time and effort to develop and entrench their social engineering and propaganda construction well. It doesn't change that China is emphatically a dictatorial regime and not a democracy, and even if many of its people decide to disagree with the administration at some point, they'll simply be repressed from expressing this at all, as had happened many times. And yes, you're either a propagandist or completely deluded.
  - gaoryrt 1y ago
    > And yes, you're either a propagandist or completely deluded. wut