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I don't support protests turning into riots but the news media I put heavy blame on for not accurately reporting on what's going on in the Trump administration

I don't support protests turning into riots but the news media I put heavy blame on for not accurately reporting on what's going on in the Trump administration in the immigration enforcement. So I understand why these protesters would be turning violent because so many legal and documented immigrants have had their rights violated. Why should they protest peacefully when the government is clearly violating rights at a massive scale and the news media is largely ignoring it. The government has forgotten the lesson of Timothy McVeigh. The government chooses the rules of engagement. Documented immigrants are being picked up by the immigration department for no reason at all. They are being denied habeas corpus rights. The Trump administration has actually said they want to suspend habeas corpus rights, which is totally bizarre for anyone who says that they believe in the Constitution. The foolishness of so many acting like the Constitution applies only to citizens shows the breakdown in our educational process. The Constitution is about how the government deals with people, not just citizens but all peoples in any place that its jurisdiction is exercised. I wonder if these staunch second amendment supporters understand that people who are legally here within the United States, citizen or not, are allowed to exercise the second amendment and own firearms. Based on the way that a lot of conservatives are treating legal immigrants, either intentionally or through ignorance by ignoring what's going on, I suspect that they don't. Just as an example of what ICE is doing, that is really not being reported. They are picking up people on their detainers which have a much lower standard than any kind of probable cause. They are detaining them in facilities and scheduling court dates. Of course immigration courts are so overloaded these are often times a month or more from when they were arrested. So they are detained for long periods of time without ever having a habeas corpus hearing. It gets even worse because immigration has wide latitude to move detainees from facility to facility. My friend who was picked up had a court date that was scheduled and they were 3 days from being required to appear in court. ICE decided to move them to a different facility in a different state. This triggers a change in jurisdictions so they would have been released within 3 days because there was no probable cause to continue to detain them but now they need to wait another month for another hearing. Quite likely within a few days of that they will be shifted to a different facility so their case will be moved again. This is the kind of egregious and intentional violations that immigration is doing right now. They are waging a war of attrition against legal immigrants to encourage them to voluntarily deport themselves. I do not understand why every news media outlet is not reporting on this. You either support people's rights or you don't care. I would think that there would be big money in this lots of eyeballs on the news but it seems that the liberal or conservative media outlets literally don't care. Perhaps it's their way to show that they can go along to get along because if legal immigrants can have their rights egregiously violated, guess who's going to have their rights violated next?

WalterGR 1y ago
All the things you mention are getting extensive coverage.
- elmerfud 1y ago
  They are getting some coverage but in no way is it extensive. News is still reporting that it's illegal immigrants being picked up, and they act like it's the exception that legal immigrants have been deported. Because they only mention one or two high-profile ones. Not the thousands upon thousands of legal immigrants that are detained and being deported that do not have the money or the luck to get picked up by the ACLU so their case can be heard. Also I'm hard pressed to find any news media that's talking about how immigrants are shifted from the detention facility to detention facility, to actively deny them their day in court to hear why they're being detained. So go ahead show me the extensive coverage because it doesn't exist. The only people who seem to know about what's going on are those who have people who have been arrested by ICE for no reason and everyone else pretends like it must be the exception and an accident because that's how the news media is reporting it. The occasional government, oh my bad we didn't mean to do that, but most of the people being picked up are legal and documented immigrants because how else would they know where to go get them at. Basic logic says if you're undocumented they don't know where you're at.
  - WalterGR 1y ago
    > So go ahead show me the extensive coverage because it doesn't exist. I read NYT, WaPo, CNN, Reuters, AP, and other sources daily. Everything you’re talking about is getting extensive coverage. With respect, you made the initial claim that it’s not, so it’s your burden of proof. I’m not your Google.
    - elmerfud 1y ago
      I look at those outlets daily, show me one article, just one, that mentions detainees are being shuffled from detention center to detention center to avoid allowing them to have their day in court. The burden of proof is on you because you said it was extensive. I acknowledge there is some coverage but it is not extensive and it is not talking about the specific abuses that I am mentioning. All of those news outlets that you cite are treating the issue as if it is the exception because they are still saying Trump is deporting illegals. My assertion is that these are legal and documented people that are being denied their habeas corpus rights. So go ahead show me one article that has thousands upon thousands of detainees being shuffled from detention center to detention center only days away from having there court hearing. You seem to be another one of these deniers as to the egregious rights violations that are going on.

WalterGR 1y ago

All the things you mention are getting extensive coverage.

elmerfud 1y ago
They are getting some coverage but in no way is it extensive. News is still reporting that it's illegal immigrants being picked up, and they act like it's the exception that legal immigrants have been deported. Because they only mention one or two high-profile ones. Not the thousands upon thousands of legal immigrants that are detained and being deported that do not have the money or the luck to get picked up by the ACLU so their case can be heard. Also I'm hard pressed to find any news media that's talking about how immigrants are shifted from the detention facility to detention facility, to actively deny them their day in court to hear why they're being detained. So go ahead show me the extensive coverage because it doesn't exist. The only people who seem to know about what's going on are those who have people who have been arrested by ICE for no reason and everyone else pretends like it must be the exception and an accident because that's how the news media is reporting it. The occasional government, oh my bad we didn't mean to do that, but most of the people being picked up are legal and documented immigrants because how else would they know where to go get them at. Basic logic says if you're undocumented they don't know where you're at.
- WalterGR 1y ago
  > So go ahead show me the extensive coverage because it doesn't exist. I read NYT, WaPo, CNN, Reuters, AP, and other sources daily. Everything you’re talking about is getting extensive coverage. With respect, you made the initial claim that it’s not, so it’s your burden of proof. I’m not your Google.
  - elmerfud 1y ago
    I look at those outlets daily, show me one article, just one, that mentions detainees are being shuffled from detention center to detention center to avoid allowing them to have their day in court. The burden of proof is on you because you said it was extensive. I acknowledge there is some coverage but it is not extensive and it is not talking about the specific abuses that I am mentioning. All of those news outlets that you cite are treating the issue as if it is the exception because they are still saying Trump is deporting illegals. My assertion is that these are legal and documented people that are being denied their habeas corpus rights. So go ahead show me one article that has thousands upon thousands of detainees being shuffled from detention center to detention center only days away from having there court hearing. You seem to be another one of these deniers as to the egregious rights violations that are going on.