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I’m all for not using nix, especially where it doesn’t make sense. But rebuilding a working system from scratch, for reasons that aren’t actually a problem if t

by zxexz 1y ago

I’m all for not using nix, especially where it doesn’t make sense. But rebuilding a working system from scratch, for reasons that aren’t actually a problem if they were to have spent even a couple hours looking at how people already solve those issues, seems fundamentally insane. Like others have said here, nix2container and flakes seem like they would address every problem they have. With regard to versioning, I have flakes written 3 years ago that still build with exactly the same versions and the same output as when it was first written. Sure does sound like that want to go to market and raise off a platform :D Edit: Literally just checked nixpacks’ github and it immediately jumped out to me that they are using rustPlatform in nixpkgs, not oxalica’s rust-overlay[0] which would have come up in any cursory search for the rust issues. And is one of the most useful and powerful overlays I’ve used. [0] https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay https://github.com/oxalica/rust-overlay

unshavedyak 1y ago
Yea, i kinda hate Nix - but it's fundamentally changed how i view OSs and the minimum features i want from them. Though I really want another language than Nixlang, but i've been stuck on Nix for years despite not liking it because the concrete builds are just so good. If Nix actually had a language i liked i'd probably go full immutable user config too and fully embrace nix. It's just so, so good. I'd switch in a heartbeat if someone iterated on Nix for some of my complaints, though. But i'm not switching away from the concrete system builds.. it's just amazing.
- dawnofdusk 1y ago
  If you like Lisp there is GUIX which is the Nix packaging idea but using a language that is slightly less trash. The ecosystem is much worse so it would not be great for a desktop end user AFAIK.
  - unshavedyak 1y ago
    I'm hoping Nickel some day can be used in place of Nix. I'm not a fan of lazy piles of config-func-soup regardless, but if i just had types and sane errors my UX in Nix would go up tremendously. Nickel promises some of that, at least.

by zxexz 1y ago

unshavedyak 1y ago

Yea, i kinda hate Nix - but it's fundamentally changed how i view OSs and the minimum features i want from them. Though I really want another language than Nixlang, but i've been stuck on Nix for years despite not liking it because the concrete builds are just so good. If Nix actually had a language i liked i'd probably go full immutable user config too and fully embrace nix. It's just so, so good. I'd switch in a heartbeat if someone iterated on Nix for some of my complaints, though. But i'm not switching away from the concrete system builds.. it's just amazing.

dawnofdusk 1y ago
If you like Lisp there is GUIX which is the Nix packaging idea but using a language that is slightly less trash. The ecosystem is much worse so it would not be great for a desktop end user AFAIK.
- unshavedyak 1y ago
  I'm hoping Nickel some day can be used in place of Nix. I'm not a fan of lazy piles of config-func-soup regardless, but if i just had types and sane errors my UX in Nix would go up tremendously. Nickel promises some of that, at least.