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>China is a socialist democracy What in the world have you been smoking? One single political party has run the country with no major dissent allowed since 194

>China is a socialist democracy What in the world have you been smoking? One single political party has run the country with no major dissent allowed since 1949 and you consider this a socialist democracy? Hint: it's not very democratic if your voting ballots only allow candidates from one legally permitted party. >Russia is a brutal Bourgeois dictatorship "Bourgeois"? Care to define that a bit. Did you cut off all your reading about contrived social labels with books from the early 20th century?

duxup 1y ago
I’ve seen a number of users on HN lately using what seems to be random terms to describe groups. I do not know what to make of it.
- derelicta 1y ago
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  - tim333 1y ago
    Wikipedia has "class of business owners, merchants and wealthy people, in general" The whole business of calling them parasites is Marxian bs of the type that has led to tens of millions of death in the various revolutions and wars it stirred.
    - derelicta 1y ago
      Ofc you are right! I was there as I witnessed Stalin and Lenin eating millions with their large spoon, leading to mass starvation. It really happened, as CNN told me!
    - derelicta 1y ago
      Marxian bs is why China, Vietnam and Laos are as prosperous as they are now :) Marxian bs is why Cuba, Venezuela and many others could hold on for so long despite America's totalitarian grip over Mankind.
derelicta 1y ago
Why is it not democratic? In the western world, we are allowed to change politicians, but politics don't change. How is that democratic? Also, just because you've never used a word doesn't mean it's not being used. In the US, discussions regarding class and class conflicts are heavily suppressed, reason why you wont hear it very often, and making most Americans politically and socially illiterate.
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  Now I get it, you're a brainless (or dishonest) propagandist who uses words without caring about their real-world meanings for the sake of an ideological "stance". Just to indulge: In the west, politics might often stay similar just because of the nature of that game (which also applies just as much in China for politicians) but yes, it is actually democratic to be able to throw one party out in favor of another if the previous one went a bit too far. It happens a lot and is much better than having your One-Party state dictate the terms of all discourse and change with near impunity. You can't be rationally serious if you think that there isn't a difference between the two. Discussion of class conflicts in the US is pervasive and widespread, if you can't find it it's because you're deliberately ignoring the subject. People are also allowed to openly criticize the policies of their leaders on social media or wherever they like. Even self-absorbed Trump, who likes to consider himself king shit of all leadership, regularly gets roasted viciously right on nationally syndicated TV via late night shows, comedy sketches and news opinion pieces. Please feel free to tell me with a straight face that anyone, much less the media outlets, can do this in your beloved Chinese "social democracy" against say, Xi Jinping.
  - suraci 1y ago
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  - derelicta 1y ago
    If you think I'm a propagandist, then how about you directly ask the peoples of China what they think of their leadership? And if you don't trust a few voices, how about you just look into polls made from western NGOs like Alliance of Democracies? https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index
derelicta 1y ago
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duxup 1y ago

I’ve seen a number of users on HN lately using what seems to be random terms to describe groups. I do not know what to make of it.

derelicta 1y ago
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- tim333 1y ago
  Wikipedia has "class of business owners, merchants and wealthy people, in general" The whole business of calling them parasites is Marxian bs of the type that has led to tens of millions of death in the various revolutions and wars it stirred.
  - derelicta 1y ago
    Ofc you are right! I was there as I witnessed Stalin and Lenin eating millions with their large spoon, leading to mass starvation. It really happened, as CNN told me!
  - derelicta 1y ago
    Marxian bs is why China, Vietnam and Laos are as prosperous as they are now :) Marxian bs is why Cuba, Venezuela and many others could hold on for so long despite America's totalitarian grip over Mankind.

derelicta 1y ago

Why is it not democratic? In the western world, we are allowed to change politicians, but politics don't change. How is that democratic? Also, just because you've never used a word doesn't mean it's not being used. In the US, discussions regarding class and class conflicts are heavily suppressed, reason why you wont hear it very often, and making most Americans politically and socially illiterate.

southernplaces7 1y ago
Now I get it, you're a brainless (or dishonest) propagandist who uses words without caring about their real-world meanings for the sake of an ideological "stance". Just to indulge: In the west, politics might often stay similar just because of the nature of that game (which also applies just as much in China for politicians) but yes, it is actually democratic to be able to throw one party out in favor of another if the previous one went a bit too far. It happens a lot and is much better than having your One-Party state dictate the terms of all discourse and change with near impunity. You can't be rationally serious if you think that there isn't a difference between the two. Discussion of class conflicts in the US is pervasive and widespread, if you can't find it it's because you're deliberately ignoring the subject. People are also allowed to openly criticize the policies of their leaders on social media or wherever they like. Even self-absorbed Trump, who likes to consider himself king shit of all leadership, regularly gets roasted viciously right on nationally syndicated TV via late night shows, comedy sketches and news opinion pieces. Please feel free to tell me with a straight face that anyone, much less the media outlets, can do this in your beloved Chinese "social democracy" against say, Xi Jinping.
- suraci 1y ago
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- derelicta 1y ago
  If you think I'm a propagandist, then how about you directly ask the peoples of China what they think of their leadership? And if you don't trust a few voices, how about you just look into polls made from western NGOs like Alliance of Democracies? https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index

derelicta 1y ago

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