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At least Berlusconi didn't have access to nuclear warheads. Seriously, I visited the US few times between 2005 and 2010 and each time people were raising the t
by thinkindie 1y ago
At least Berlusconi didn't have access to nuclear warheads.
Seriously, I visited the US few times between 2005 and 2010 and each time people were raising the topic of Berlusconi. How can you have a president like that, who voted for him, bunga bunga etc etc.
Now you know how you can have such personality in power too. With even more power.
- andrepd 1y agoThe Italians truly invent everything first, eh? Fascism, trumpism, etc
- thinkindie 1y agoTrumpism is just another league I believe. You may say it's Berlusconism on steroids, but the global impact makes this a thing by itself.
- esafak 1y agoIt really isn't; Trump just has a bigger stage. Trumpism is a misnomer by itself; Trump has no ideology, no grand scheme that I can discern.
- root_axis 1y ago> Trump has no ideology I wouldn't say it's a misnomer, the lack of ideology is the signature appeal. It's exactly what affords Trump unlimited flexibility among his supporters since there are no expectations of consistency.
- hn_throwaway_99 1y agoYeah, I would say "acquisition of and wielding power" is the signature feature of Trumpism, and why he appeals to so many. Whether true or not (and FWIW, I think it is, at least to some degree), the left largely took the mantra of "tsk tsking" for a long time - you should feel bad about using a plastic straw, bad about driving your car, bad about the US' treatment of Native Americans, etc. etc. So Trump's complete shamelessness is appealing to many I read a good post recently that explained that Trump and the Republican's rank hypocrisy is a feature, not a bug. It shows that Trump and his team are unbound by the constraints they want to apply to others.
- thinkindie 1y agobigger stage and bigger impact. Trump had more impact on the world trades in a few months than Berlusconi in 20 years as Berlusconi was limited to Italy and sometimes Europe.
- baxtr 1y agoDon’t get me started on Roman Emperors…
- codedokode 1y agoAnd alphabet.
- foobarian 1y agoMafia!
- mousethatroared 1y agoWestern civilization. Oh, and before Berlusconi there was Menem. He's the original clown turned president.
- cenamus 1y agoGreece?
- mousethatroared 1y agoArgentina.
- 4gotunameagain 1y agoAhaha I'm pretty sure he meant that it was Greece and not Italy that invented everything first.
- mousethatroared 1y agoAh, I thought he was referring to the clowns they have in Athens. But, no. The Greeks didn't create Western Civilization because the only non-awkward definition of Western Civilization is that scion of the Roman Church. Surely the cultural exchange with Greeks contributed to this. Greece was always eastern facing as far back as before Alexander. It is only with the Cold War that they glanced West. Aside for Magna Grecia, Greeks have very scant presence in Western Europe.
- 4gotunameagain 1y agoI don't know why you are angry at history and frankly I don't care, but you should read a bit more. Even the Roman pantheon was practically a copy of the Greek one, Greek was the language of science and philosophy, the first people to study mathematics in the west and so on and so forth. All the great Romans revered Greece and Greek. Anyway I don't know why I'm explaining history to some random angry kid online, have a nice day
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- credit_guy 1y ago> How can you have a president like that Did people really think that Berlusconi was the president of Italy?
- Ylpertnodi 1y agoMainly the people that voted for him.
- moralestapia 1y agoWasn't he? Unless you mean president !== primer minister, but that would be such a futile remark in this context.
- credit_guy 1y agoThat's exactly what I meant. A lot of people in the US don't follow politics in Europe, but those who do are unlikely to think Berlusconi was a president when he was actually a prime minister.
- scotty79 1y agoPrime ministers in Europe have functions of US Presidents. Equivalent of European presidents I think is missing in the US.
- thinkindie 1y agoPrime ministers in Italy are also called Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri, therefore technically yes. He was holding the executive power, and although Italy is a parliamentary republic, most of the laws are driven by the Government.
- tdeck 1y agoI remember thinking this same thing during the first trump term as an American, with Berlusconi I used to be like "how the fuck can people accept this from their leaders" and then it came home. Obviously the string of war criminals we had prior weren't great either but Trump hits different.