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Borg vs Restic vs Kopia ? They are so similar in features. How do they compare? Which to choose?

by seymon 1y ago

aborsy 1y ago
Restic is the winner. It talks directly to many backends, is a static binary (so you can drop the executable in operating systems which don’t allow package installation like a NAS OS) and has a clean CLI. Kopia is a bit newer and less tested. All three have a lot of commands to work with repositories. Each one of them is much better than closed source proprietary backup software that I have dealt with, like Synology hyperbackup nonsense. If you want a better solution, the next level is ZFS.
- seymon 1y ago
  I am already using zfs on my NAS where I want my backups to be. But I didn't consider it for backups till now
  - aeadio 1y ago
    You can consider something like syncthing to get the important files onto your NAS, and then use ZFS snapshots and replication via syncoid/sanoid to do the actual backing up.
    - aborsy 1y ago
      Or install ZFS also on end devices, and do ZFS replication to NAS, which is what I do. I have ZFS on my laptop, snapshot data every 30 minutes, and replicate them. Those snapshots are very useful, as sometimes I accidentally delete data. With ZFS, all file system is replicated. The backup will be consistent, which is not the case with file level backup. With latter, you have to also worry about lock files, permissions, etc. The restore will be more natural and quick with ZFS.
      - fc417fc802 1y ago
        I can't speak to zfs but I don't find btrfs snapshots to be a viable replacement for borgbackup. To your filesystem consistency point I snapshot, back the snapshot up with borg, and then delete the snapshot. I never run borg against a writable subvolume.
- PunchyHamster 1y ago
  Kopia is VERY similar to Restic, main differences is Kopia getting half decent UI vs Restic being a bit more friendly for scripting > If you want a better solution, the next level is ZFS. Not a backup. Not a bad choice for storage for backup server tho
  - jopsen 1y ago
    IMO the UI is a killer feature. I don't need to configure and monitor cron jobs.
  - omnimus 1y ago
    But aren't ZFS snapshot replicas a backup? It seems that systems like TrueNAS went this way and you then don't need other solution.
the_angry_angel 1y ago
Kopia is awesome. With exception to it’s retention policies, but work like no other backup software that I’ve experienced to date. I don’t know if it’s just my stupidity, being stuck in 20 year thinking or just the fact it’s different. But for me, it feels like a footgun. The fact that Kopia has a UI is awesome for non-technical users. I migrated off restic due to memory usage, to Kopia. I am currently debating switching back to restic purely because of how retention works.
- zargon 1y ago
  I’m confused. Is Kopia awesome or is it a footgun? (Or are words missing?)
spiffytech 1y ago
I picked Kopia when I needed something that worked on Windows and came with a GUI. I was setting up PCs for unsophisticated users who needed to be able to do their own restores. Most OSS choices are only appropriate for technical users, and some like Borg are *nix-only.
noAnswer 1y ago
I use Borg since eight years and it has never let me down. Including a full 8TB disaster restore. It's super resilient to crashes. When I tested Restic (eight years ago) it was super slow. No opinion about Kopia, never heard of it.
- liotier 1y ago
  Same here: my selection boiled down to Borg vs. Restic. I started with Restic because my friends used it and, while it was perfectly satisfactory functionally, found it unbearably slow with large backups. Changed to Borg and I've been happy everafter !
  - GCUMstlyHarmls 1y ago
    What is a "large" backup? Slow to backup locally or slow to backup over a network? (obviously you are not saying its slow without understanding the network is inherently slow, but more along the lines of maybe its network protocol is slow.)
    - liotier 1y ago
      Those were only about 10 TB - home scale, and over SSH across 2 to 10 ms. I was coming from rdiff-backup, which satisfyingly saturated disk writes, whereas I didn't even understand what bottleneck restic was hitting.
herewulf 1y ago
I don't know about the other two but restic seems to have a very good author/maintainer. That is to say that he is very active in fixing problems, etc..
shelled 1y ago
restic with https://github.com/garethgeorge/backrest https://github.com/garethgeorge/backrest. I'd give second spot to borg (I use it with Vorta). I tried KopiaUI couple of times, it's not something I want as a personal backup tool.

Borg vs Restic vs Kopia ? They are so similar in features. How do they compare? Which to choose?

by seymon 1y ago

Borg vs Restic vs Kopia ? They are so similar in features. How do they compare? Which to choose?

Restic is the winner. It talks directly to many backends, is a static binary (so you can drop the executable in operating systems which don’t allow package installation like a NAS OS) and has a clean CLI. Kopia is a bit newer and less tested. All three have a lot of commands to work with repositories. Each one of them is much better than closed source proprietary backup software that I have dealt with, like Synology hyperbackup nonsense. If you want a better solution, the next level is ZFS.

seymon 1y ago
I am already using zfs on my NAS where I want my backups to be. But I didn't consider it for backups till now
- aeadio 1y ago
  You can consider something like syncthing to get the important files onto your NAS, and then use ZFS snapshots and replication via syncoid/sanoid to do the actual backing up.
  - aborsy 1y ago
    Or install ZFS also on end devices, and do ZFS replication to NAS, which is what I do. I have ZFS on my laptop, snapshot data every 30 minutes, and replicate them. Those snapshots are very useful, as sometimes I accidentally delete data. With ZFS, all file system is replicated. The backup will be consistent, which is not the case with file level backup. With latter, you have to also worry about lock files, permissions, etc. The restore will be more natural and quick with ZFS.
    - fc417fc802 1y ago
      I can't speak to zfs but I don't find btrfs snapshots to be a viable replacement for borgbackup. To your filesystem consistency point I snapshot, back the snapshot up with borg, and then delete the snapshot. I never run borg against a writable subvolume.
PunchyHamster 1y ago
Kopia is VERY similar to Restic, main differences is Kopia getting half decent UI vs Restic being a bit more friendly for scripting > If you want a better solution, the next level is ZFS. Not a backup. Not a bad choice for storage for backup server tho
- jopsen 1y ago
  IMO the UI is a killer feature. I don't need to configure and monitor cron jobs.
- omnimus 1y ago
  But aren't ZFS snapshot replicas a backup? It seems that systems like TrueNAS went this way and you then don't need other solution.

the_angry_angel 1y ago

Kopia is awesome. With exception to it’s retention policies, but work like no other backup software that I’ve experienced to date. I don’t know if it’s just my stupidity, being stuck in 20 year thinking or just the fact it’s different. But for me, it feels like a footgun. The fact that Kopia has a UI is awesome for non-technical users. I migrated off restic due to memory usage, to Kopia. I am currently debating switching back to restic purely because of how retention works.

zargon 1y ago
I’m confused. Is Kopia awesome or is it a footgun? (Or are words missing?)

spiffytech 1y ago

I picked Kopia when I needed something that worked on Windows and came with a GUI. I was setting up PCs for unsophisticated users who needed to be able to do their own restores. Most OSS choices are only appropriate for technical users, and some like Borg are *nix-only.

noAnswer 1y ago

I use Borg since eight years and it has never let me down. Including a full 8TB disaster restore. It's super resilient to crashes. When I tested Restic (eight years ago) it was super slow. No opinion about Kopia, never heard of it.

liotier 1y ago
Same here: my selection boiled down to Borg vs. Restic. I started with Restic because my friends used it and, while it was perfectly satisfactory functionally, found it unbearably slow with large backups. Changed to Borg and I've been happy everafter !
- GCUMstlyHarmls 1y ago
  What is a "large" backup? Slow to backup locally or slow to backup over a network? (obviously you are not saying its slow without understanding the network is inherently slow, but more along the lines of maybe its network protocol is slow.)
  - liotier 1y ago
    Those were only about 10 TB - home scale, and over SSH across 2 to 10 ms. I was coming from rdiff-backup, which satisfyingly saturated disk writes, whereas I didn't even understand what bottleneck restic was hitting.

herewulf 1y ago

I don't know about the other two but restic seems to have a very good author/maintainer. That is to say that he is very active in fixing problems, etc..

shelled 1y ago

restic with https://github.com/garethgeorge/backrest https://github.com/garethgeorge/backrest. I'd give second spot to borg (I use it with Vorta). I tried KopiaUI couple of times, it's not something I want as a personal backup tool.