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> an absolutely insane thing to do Is it? The statement itself doesn't seem to imply anything other than Musk seems to think he is in those files. Trump is i

> an absolutely insane thing to do Is it? The statement itself doesn't seem to imply anything other than Musk seems to think he is in those files. Trump is in some of the JE "files" that were already released (flight logs). I think the cultural obsession with the unknown surrounding Jeffery Epstein informs what people infer from statements like that. There are many less-than-flattering ways that Trump could be associated with JE that do not include pedophilia.

the_af 1y ago
But Musk is not implying any of those less-than-flattering things. Nobody knows what Musk actually thinks, but what he implied is pretty clear. He calls it "a bomb", and we all know what that means. And this matters, because Musk was a major campaign contributor and advisor to someone he has now implied to be a pedophile. What does this say about Musk?
- someothherguyy 1y ago
  > we all know what that means Personally, I don't jump to conclusions based on vague statements or evidence. > What does this say about Musk? Who knows? Musk has thin associations with Epstein and Maxwell as well, he is a proven liar, is at times visibly manic, and has been reported to drop relationships at a whim when challenged. There could be plenty of things driving his behavior, but I don't think this informs anything new about his character.
  - the_af 1y ago
    You got me wrong: I'm not talking about the veracity of the accusation, I'm asking about what it says about Musk (regardless of its truth). Especially in the eyes of Musk fans. This guy is now effectively claiming he helped get someone elected president whom he knew was a pedophile. Musk claims Trump got elected thanks to his support (again, Musk claims this). He also claims Trump is a pedophile. So what do Musk fans think about Musk (not Trump) in light of this?
    - spuz 1y ago
      Honestly, if there were any fans of Musk after he imitated a Nazi salute, I don't think their perception of him has much further room to sink.
  - andrewflnr 1y ago
    > Personally, I don't jump to conclusions based on vague statements or evidence. When it comes to drawing conclusions about the intent of the person making the vague statement, this is an error. It helps create the plausible deniability that public manipulators use to their advantage.
- jmyeet 1y ago
  As per usual, every accusation from a narcissist is a confession. You know who absolutely is connected to Epstein? Elon's brother, Kimbal (allgedly) [1]. And while not related to Epstein but is just gross and in a similar ballpark, Elon's father Errol, had a stepdaughter from his wife's first marriage, Jana Bezuidenhout, who grew up in his house from age 4. He later went on to father two children with Jana (the first when she was 30, I believe) [2]. It's unclear when the relationship began. The only public statements are after Jana had a break-up. [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-2020-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfrie... [2]: https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3188639/completely-normal-errol-musk-dating-his-stepdaughter-jana https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/31886...
  - the_af 1y ago
    Didn't know these details about Musk's family. It doesn't surprise me at all that a guy so gross in his personal life comes from a gross family. Everything about Musk is deranged. Do you remember the (not so distant era) when Musk was the nerd's and hacker's darling? SpaceX, his genius, his vision! This was before we knew much about his personal life and opinions. It seems so long ago now... Before he took to Twitter to claim it was OK to coup countries for their resources, or started naming children like mathematical formulas.
    - yubblegum 1y ago
      > Everything about Musk is deranged. He's a symptom. It is our society, globally, that has become deranged. Almost all public figures are a shade of scumbag these days. Maybe they always were and there is no longer any reason to hide it.
      - the_af 1y ago
        Regrettably, I must agree with you. I can speak for Argentina, where the situation (the sharp deterioration of public discourse, the "rule by Twitter posts", flamewars between government officials, incredibly aggressive public discourse, obvious fraud that doesn't get prosecuted if it's done by some political factions, etc) mirrors the US in many ways. I would say in Argentina we repeat tragedy in the form of farce, except what's going on in the States is also a farce.

the_af 1y ago

But Musk is not implying any of those less-than-flattering things. Nobody knows what Musk actually thinks, but what he implied is pretty clear. He calls it "a bomb", and we all know what that means. And this matters, because Musk was a major campaign contributor and advisor to someone he has now implied to be a pedophile. What does this say about Musk?

someothherguyy 1y ago
> we all know what that means Personally, I don't jump to conclusions based on vague statements or evidence. > What does this say about Musk? Who knows? Musk has thin associations with Epstein and Maxwell as well, he is a proven liar, is at times visibly manic, and has been reported to drop relationships at a whim when challenged. There could be plenty of things driving his behavior, but I don't think this informs anything new about his character.
- the_af 1y ago
  You got me wrong: I'm not talking about the veracity of the accusation, I'm asking about what it says about Musk (regardless of its truth). Especially in the eyes of Musk fans. This guy is now effectively claiming he helped get someone elected president whom he knew was a pedophile. Musk claims Trump got elected thanks to his support (again, Musk claims this). He also claims Trump is a pedophile. So what do Musk fans think about Musk (not Trump) in light of this?
  - spuz 1y ago
    Honestly, if there were any fans of Musk after he imitated a Nazi salute, I don't think their perception of him has much further room to sink.
- andrewflnr 1y ago
  > Personally, I don't jump to conclusions based on vague statements or evidence. When it comes to drawing conclusions about the intent of the person making the vague statement, this is an error. It helps create the plausible deniability that public manipulators use to their advantage.
jmyeet 1y ago
As per usual, every accusation from a narcissist is a confession. You know who absolutely is connected to Epstein? Elon's brother, Kimbal (allgedly) [1]. And while not related to Epstein but is just gross and in a similar ballpark, Elon's father Errol, had a stepdaughter from his wife's first marriage, Jana Bezuidenhout, who grew up in his house from age 4. He later went on to father two children with Jana (the first when she was 30, I believe) [2]. It's unclear when the relationship began. The only public statements are after Jana had a break-up. [1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-2020-1 https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfrie... [2]: https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/3188639/completely-normal-errol-musk-dating-his-stepdaughter-jana https://www.scmp.com/magazines/style/celebrity/article/31886...
- the_af 1y ago
  Didn't know these details about Musk's family. It doesn't surprise me at all that a guy so gross in his personal life comes from a gross family. Everything about Musk is deranged. Do you remember the (not so distant era) when Musk was the nerd's and hacker's darling? SpaceX, his genius, his vision! This was before we knew much about his personal life and opinions. It seems so long ago now... Before he took to Twitter to claim it was OK to coup countries for their resources, or started naming children like mathematical formulas.
  - yubblegum 1y ago
    > Everything about Musk is deranged. He's a symptom. It is our society, globally, that has become deranged. Almost all public figures are a shade of scumbag these days. Maybe they always were and there is no longer any reason to hide it.
    - the_af 1y ago
      Regrettably, I must agree with you. I can speak for Argentina, where the situation (the sharp deterioration of public discourse, the "rule by Twitter posts", flamewars between government officials, incredibly aggressive public discourse, obvious fraud that doesn't get prosecuted if it's done by some political factions, etc) mirrors the US in many ways. I would say in Argentina we repeat tragedy in the form of farce, except what's going on in the States is also a farce.