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Agreed. It's also wild that someone who was a major contributor to the election campaign and a major advisor to the president now declares "well, the president

by the_af 1y ago

Agreed. It's also wild that someone who was a major contributor to the election campaign and a major advisor to the president now declares "well, the president is a pedophile" and nobody bats an eye either. I mean, Musk supporters now have to believe Musk knowingly supported a pedophile but only turned against him after he had a falling out for unrelated reasons? In the eyes of his supporters, what does this say about Musk? (Note: whether the accusation is true or not is irrelevant; what matters is that Musk supported someone whom he claims to know is a pedophile).

aisenik 1y ago
Musk is a known pedophile-accusation-maker and affiliated with the Epstein child rape organization through his Kung-Fu lessons with Ghislaine Maxwell. Prior supporters will be less reactive for the first reason and more likely to perceive the situations as unfounded petty accusations for the latter (the dissonance of both Trump and Musk being connected to child rape is resolved this way).
- drivingmenuts 1y ago
  It's kind of his pointless go-to A-bomb insult, yet, this time, it's within the realm of possibility. I mean, I don't not believe it and I don't think I'm alone in that.
- majormajor 1y ago
  Trump/Epstein connections have been reported on for years with photos and videos so anyone who cares probably was already on the anti-Trump side. While Musk has a bigger megaphone than most media, he also has a credibility issue - and now especially for the Trump-true-believer crowd that is likely the only group whose bubble would be so shielded that they'd see it as news.
  - redeeman 1y ago
    trump was one of the people that originally provided all they knew about epstein to the prosecutors, and once he realized what epstein was, he was banned from all trump venues. What did other do?
- jordanb 1y ago
  Not only that but Musk was able to successfully argue in court that he's such a well known liar that a reasonable person wouldn't take his accusations of pedophillia seriously
  - the_af 1y ago
    Wow, I didn't know this. I didn't even know this was a possible defense at all, "everything I say is bullshit, so if anyone takes it seriously, that's on them".
    - xnx 1y ago
      Fox news attempted this defense in court "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
      - casefields 1y ago
        Maddow and MSNBC made the same argument in court. It’s a very useful defense for these entertainment news programs.
        wat10000 1y ago
        A pox on all of them.
    - fhdkweig 1y ago
      My memory is a bit fuzzy, but that was also Trump's family's response to the financial statements related to his businesses when it came up in court. But I don't remember which court case it was.
      - FireBeyond 1y ago
        That was the one where he told the IRS the buildings he owned were worth $(x)M for tax purposes, but was simultaneously having them valued at $(10x)M for loan collateral purposes.
- amiga386 1y ago
  > Musk is a known pedophile-accusation-maker Laughably so. Musk: I can save those boys trapped in the cave! We can use this stupid submarine thing of mine. Hero: No need, I and my Navy SEAL cave-diving pals have got this. Musk: How dare you! You're a pedo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44779998 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44779998 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45418245 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45418245
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    Would you bet against accusation in this instance? The existing recordings and convictions against Trump don’t seem to have hurt him. Why would this?
  - thrance 1y ago
    He was sued for that by the guy and won his trial by convincing the judge that "pedo" is actually common Afrikaner lingo, and it was a casual insult. This country is a joke. Also doesn't remove the fact Trump was one of Epstein's closest friends, and everything points to him being involved in some way or the other in those affairs.
    - ZeroGravitas 1y ago
      Musk's brother was introduced to his girlfriend by Epstein. Epstein mentored a young model who went onto be a neurosurgeon and married Microsoft's Sinofsky. Bill Gates had a meeting with Epstein during which an ex-girlfriend of Epstein's who was once Miss Sweden just happened to turn up with her 15 year old daughter. I'd quite like someone to investigate if our billionaires are being honeypotted left, right and center because it appears you can control a big swathe of the world's wealth if you get old rich nerds laid. It's still not clear if Epstein made his money by blackmailing yet another Billionaire.
Geee 1y ago
He supposedly learned it after the fact. Also, he didn't say that, although he surely implied that. However, he only said that Trump is in the "files", which has actually been public information for a long time. It's known that Trump had some relations with Epstein, but there's no evidence he went to the island or did something wrong. It's quite obvious that Elon knows that Trump is not on the actual "list", i.e. the list of Epstein's clients who went to the island. That's why the message reads like a silly insult, rather than a serious accusation.
- krapp 1y ago
  To be fair Elon claimed that Trump is mentioned in the remainder of files which have yet to be released. Presumably what evidence there is of wrongdoing, if it exists, exists there. "Pedo guy" Musk being Musk, though, who knows? What is the likelihood Musk would even have access to those files if they were so damning to Trump and still sealed? Nothing about this is "quite obvious." It could go either way. To be honest I wouldn't put it past either one of them to be on Epstein's "list."
  - Geee 1y ago
    I think the tone of the message would be way more serious if it was a serious accusation based on actual evidence. Now it reads like a kindergarten level conspiracy theory, which almost seems like a joke. The silly claim was that Trump being in the files is the reason why they aren't released. And apparently he has now deleted the tweet.
    - krapp 1y ago
      Without seeing the unreleased files we can't know how silly the claim is.
- the_af 1y ago
  > He supposedly learned it after the fact. When exactly? He was friends with Trump and working in his administration until a few weeks ago (they hugged in his going away ceremony), and he broke up for reasons explicitly not about any pedophile rings. So to lob this accusation now doesn't seem like it's because he just learned of it. I don't know what Musk really believes. The guy behaves like a mentally unstable person, but maybe it's an act? What is true is that accusing the president of the US of being linked to a pedophile ring is not the same as accusing some random scuba diver of being a pedophile. The scuba diver cannot really fight back, but I think the president of the US might. (Based on replies to my comments elsewhere, I feel compelled to clarify I'm in no way defending Trump. I think this is a fight between two nasty people).
BLKNSLVR 1y ago
That's a great point about both the pettiness and corrupting influence of power. Trump and Musk are trash human beings and the world would be better off if they were both 100% occupied with trying to destroy each other, with the hope being that then some adults could come in and run the country / companies. I think Trump was probably always trash. Musk may have had redeemable qualities at one point, but, well, as per my first sentence.
randomcarbloke 1y ago
theoretically he might have discovered this after he had paid for Trump's win. I despise the guy but it's entirely possible that he was blind to the publicly available evidence before seeing the secret evidence.

by the_af 1y ago

aisenik 1y ago

Musk is a known pedophile-accusation-maker and affiliated with the Epstein child rape organization through his Kung-Fu lessons with Ghislaine Maxwell. Prior supporters will be less reactive for the first reason and more likely to perceive the situations as unfounded petty accusations for the latter (the dissonance of both Trump and Musk being connected to child rape is resolved this way).

drivingmenuts 1y ago
It's kind of his pointless go-to A-bomb insult, yet, this time, it's within the realm of possibility. I mean, I don't not believe it and I don't think I'm alone in that.
majormajor 1y ago
Trump/Epstein connections have been reported on for years with photos and videos so anyone who cares probably was already on the anti-Trump side. While Musk has a bigger megaphone than most media, he also has a credibility issue - and now especially for the Trump-true-believer crowd that is likely the only group whose bubble would be so shielded that they'd see it as news.
- redeeman 1y ago
  trump was one of the people that originally provided all they knew about epstein to the prosecutors, and once he realized what epstein was, he was banned from all trump venues. What did other do?
jordanb 1y ago
Not only that but Musk was able to successfully argue in court that he's such a well known liar that a reasonable person wouldn't take his accusations of pedophillia seriously
- the_af 1y ago
  Wow, I didn't know this. I didn't even know this was a possible defense at all, "everything I say is bullshit, so if anyone takes it seriously, that's on them".
  - xnx 1y ago
    Fox news attempted this defense in court "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
    - casefields 1y ago
      Maddow and MSNBC made the same argument in court. It’s a very useful defense for these entertainment news programs.
      - wat10000 1y ago
        A pox on all of them.
  - fhdkweig 1y ago
    My memory is a bit fuzzy, but that was also Trump's family's response to the financial statements related to his businesses when it came up in court. But I don't remember which court case it was.
    - FireBeyond 1y ago
      That was the one where he told the IRS the buildings he owned were worth $(x)M for tax purposes, but was simultaneously having them valued at $(10x)M for loan collateral purposes.
amiga386 1y ago
> Musk is a known pedophile-accusation-maker Laughably so. Musk: I can save those boys trapped in the cave! We can use this stupid submarine thing of mine. Hero: No need, I and my Navy SEAL cave-diving pals have got this. Musk: How dare you! You're a pedo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44779998 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44779998 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45418245 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45418245
- lostlogin 1y ago
  Would you bet against accusation in this instance? The existing recordings and convictions against Trump don’t seem to have hurt him. Why would this?
- thrance 1y ago
  He was sued for that by the guy and won his trial by convincing the judge that "pedo" is actually common Afrikaner lingo, and it was a casual insult. This country is a joke. Also doesn't remove the fact Trump was one of Epstein's closest friends, and everything points to him being involved in some way or the other in those affairs.
  - ZeroGravitas 1y ago
    Musk's brother was introduced to his girlfriend by Epstein. Epstein mentored a young model who went onto be a neurosurgeon and married Microsoft's Sinofsky. Bill Gates had a meeting with Epstein during which an ex-girlfriend of Epstein's who was once Miss Sweden just happened to turn up with her 15 year old daughter. I'd quite like someone to investigate if our billionaires are being honeypotted left, right and center because it appears you can control a big swathe of the world's wealth if you get old rich nerds laid. It's still not clear if Epstein made his money by blackmailing yet another Billionaire.

Geee 1y ago

He supposedly learned it after the fact. Also, he didn't say that, although he surely implied that. However, he only said that Trump is in the "files", which has actually been public information for a long time. It's known that Trump had some relations with Epstein, but there's no evidence he went to the island or did something wrong. It's quite obvious that Elon knows that Trump is not on the actual "list", i.e. the list of Epstein's clients who went to the island. That's why the message reads like a silly insult, rather than a serious accusation.

krapp 1y ago
To be fair Elon claimed that Trump is mentioned in the remainder of files which have yet to be released. Presumably what evidence there is of wrongdoing, if it exists, exists there. "Pedo guy" Musk being Musk, though, who knows? What is the likelihood Musk would even have access to those files if they were so damning to Trump and still sealed? Nothing about this is "quite obvious." It could go either way. To be honest I wouldn't put it past either one of them to be on Epstein's "list."
- Geee 1y ago
  I think the tone of the message would be way more serious if it was a serious accusation based on actual evidence. Now it reads like a kindergarten level conspiracy theory, which almost seems like a joke. The silly claim was that Trump being in the files is the reason why they aren't released. And apparently he has now deleted the tweet.
  - krapp 1y ago
    Without seeing the unreleased files we can't know how silly the claim is.
the_af 1y ago
> He supposedly learned it after the fact. When exactly? He was friends with Trump and working in his administration until a few weeks ago (they hugged in his going away ceremony), and he broke up for reasons explicitly not about any pedophile rings. So to lob this accusation now doesn't seem like it's because he just learned of it. I don't know what Musk really believes. The guy behaves like a mentally unstable person, but maybe it's an act? What is true is that accusing the president of the US of being linked to a pedophile ring is not the same as accusing some random scuba diver of being a pedophile. The scuba diver cannot really fight back, but I think the president of the US might. (Based on replies to my comments elsewhere, I feel compelled to clarify I'm in no way defending Trump. I think this is a fight between two nasty people).

BLKNSLVR 1y ago

That's a great point about both the pettiness and corrupting influence of power. Trump and Musk are trash human beings and the world would be better off if they were both 100% occupied with trying to destroy each other, with the hope being that then some adults could come in and run the country / companies. I think Trump was probably always trash. Musk may have had redeemable qualities at one point, but, well, as per my first sentence.

randomcarbloke 1y ago

theoretically he might have discovered this after he had paid for Trump's win. I despise the guy but it's entirely possible that he was blind to the publicly available evidence before seeing the secret evidence.